Tenant went on a trip for 3 weeks over xmas and thought it was ok to turn heat off...

[spike98]

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So… wouldn’t you still go through your rental insurance policy for repairs? Then the insurance company would go after the tenant to recover costs? If they don’t have a tenant policy, or their insurance company voids it due to being away for too long, then they’d be personally liable? I fail to see how your policy wouldn’t cover you, it’s pretty unreasonable for you to keep tabs on the coming and goings of tenants

That depends on if there was a requirement for the place to be monitored while vacant and if that was followed. This could potentially void the policy if the requirement wasn't met and the insurance company would simply wash their hands of it.

[Rocket1k78]

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That depends on if there was a requirement for the place to be monitored while vacant and if that was followed. This could potentially void the policy if the requirement wasn't met and the insurance company would simply wash their hands of it.

again. I would be very surprised if my own insurance covered this because of the negligence and her being away. Thankfully its minor and shes paying for that and if something else happens later ill deal with it as it happens.

[dj_rice]

Cleaners at my work must of turned off the thermostat one evening as we came in to work with it showing 16 in the building.

Next day the maintenance guy installed one of these

[ercchry]

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That depends on if there was a requirement for the place to be monitored while vacant and if that was followed. This could potentially void the policy if the requirement wasn't met and the insurance company would simply wash their hands of it.

But it’s not a owner occupied policy. You can’t babysit tenants like that.

[TomcoPDR]

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Cleaners at my work must of turned off the thermostat one evening as we came in to work with it showing 16 in the building.

Next day the maintenance guy installed one of these

And left the key on the box?

[16hypen3sp]

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I've seen this at some vacant houses for sale. You could see your breath when walking around with all the floors creaking. I hope that $50 in savings was worth it.

Saw that as well. Brother was looking at houses a couple years ago. There was one that was foreclosed on and the bank had someone local taking care of multiple foreclosed homes. I decided to join my brother and his RE agent for a walkthough in late winter. We get there and the caretaker opened the front door and left. We get in and the thermostat was set to the lowest setting possible. Above zero but damn cold. Home inspector shows up and we turn the thermo up. Furnace kicks on and runs fine. Inspector does his thing. We go into the garage and it is below freezing. Of course this house has a tankless water heater in the garage along with a overhead heater to keep the garage warm.... which was completely shut down with gas valve closed.

Turns out, it had been like that for a few months over winter. I remember thinking to myself 'hopefully this was drained or blown out or something.' Turned the heat on and went back inside. Turned water on to check faucets and what not. Everything worked as it should. RE agent went to make a phone call in the garage and she starts yelling that there is water spraying everywhere. We all go to check it out and sure enough, tankless heater system had froze and busted some piping. Water was spraying out against the wall and draining down towards the garage drain.

RE calls the caretaker who races back over and starts arguing with us asking why we turned the water on (for inspection purposes you dumb fuck). I asked 'the better question is why did you turn the heat off in the garage during winter?' That caretaker was a fucking idiot.

[suntan]

Who the hell puts a tankless water heater in the garage in Alberta? That’s nuts.

[16hypen3sp]

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Who the hell puts a tankless water heater in the garage in Alberta? That’s nuts.

I agree. Found it very, very odd. But that being said, I was looking thru some houses for sale the other day and found a place with a hot water tank in the garage.

[prae]

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It doesn't matter what your lease says or would have not said, it wouldn't have be enforceable under the LTA. The tenant is liable due to negligence and it's a matter for the court.

Interesting- do you have experience in these situations? That seems like a broken model. Anyone renting a house is very unlikely to have assets or an insurer that would be able to cover such damages.

[suntan]

This tenant is Greta-approved.

[spike98]

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Interesting- do you have experience in these situations? That seems like a broken model. Anyone renting a house is very unlikely to have assets or an insurer that would be able to cover such damages.

I am a landlord and have been for over 10 years so i have been through the LTA and have also had some "challenging" tenants. Here is what the LTA says must be in an agreement "lease".

The tenancy created by this agreement is governed by the
Residential Tenancies Act and if there is a conflict between
this agreement and the Act, the Act prevails.

Which means that a tenant cannot take away or waive rights in an agreement if it conflicts with the Act. However, it does state that:

that the tenant will not do or permit significant damage to
the premises, the common areas or the property of which
they form a part;

And goes on to describe remedies in the event of significant damage caused by the tenant which can include termination of tenancy and recovery of damages. This must be applied for to the courts.

[Kloubek]

As stupid as this seems to most of us, I think it's largely because we're men.

Men are generally the ones expected to learn how to maintain the physical aspects of a household. We make repairs to the house, it's contents, and the vehicles. Over time we may have learned from our fathers, the internet, or from experience. So virtually all of us know it is idiotic to turn the heat completely off - yet, I can appreciate that someone who has had no experience in any of that wouldn't really think about the repercussions. There isn't anyone in there who needs the heat, so why keep it on?

Back in my 20's I had a girlfriend who wanted to make coffee, yet had no idea how to use a coffee maker. I'm not gonna lie - I looked down on her at times for being not the smartest woman in the world and to me, this just seemed outright idiotic. It's a fucking coffee maker. Figure it out. But the fact is, she simply had never used a coffee maker in her life and paired with her (lets call it) average intelligence, it was years later that I realized I wasn't exactly being fair.

Same thing here. Woman of average intelligence, who has no experience - doing what the rest of us feel is really stupid, but with all the best intentions.






Idiot.

[jutes]

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As stupid as this seems to most of us, I think it's largely because we're men.

Men are generally the ones expected to learn how to maintain the physical aspects of a household. We make repairs to the house, it's contents, and the vehicles. Over time we may have learned from our fathers, the internet, or from experience. So virtually all of us know it is idiotic to turn the heat completely off - yet, I can appreciate that someone who has had no experience in any of that wouldn't really think about the repercussions. There isn't anyone in there who needs the heat, so why keep it on?

Back in my 20's I had a girlfriend who wanted to make coffee, yet had no idea how to use a coffee maker. I'm not gonna lie - I looked down on her at times for being not the smartest woman in the world and to me, this just seemed outright idiotic. It's a fucking coffee maker. Figure it out. But the fact is, she simply had never used a coffee maker in her life and paired with her (lets call it) average intelligence, it was years later that I realized I wasn't exactly being fair.

Same thing here. Woman of average intelligence, who has no experience - doing what the rest of us feel is really stupid, but with all the best intentions.

[ercchry]

Not knowing something, and asking about it is one thing… not knowing something and doing it without any research is just stupid.

She had a boyfriend she could have asked, perhaps a father, for sure a landlord… and… fucking google it!

[killramos]

[90_Shelby]

I think it's less a gender issue and more of a how you're raised issue. I'm blaming parents.

[schurchill39]

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I think it's less a gender issue and more of a how you're raised issue. I'm blaming parents.

Agreed. I know a handful of men who didn't grow up with handy parents and now as adults themselves they couldn't change a tire or own a drill.

[Kloubek]

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Not knowing something, and asking about it is one thing… not knowing something and doing it without any research is just stupid.

Why would she think to ask about it if she didn't think there was any reason to ask about it? By this logic, we should know everything because we had an opportunity to ask about anything.

...but I see your point. You'd think that somewhere in that back of her mind she must have asked herself "Is this safe to do? Do I know if it's safe to do? Should I ask?"

Unfortunately, I'd be willing to be at least half the public walk around without this mindset. The female half.

And as far as Shelby's contention it is more a parenting issue, yes, I agree.... but parents don't typically teach their female kids the same things they teach their male children. That might be changing over time, but generally speaking...

[suntan]

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As stupid as this seems to most of us, I think it's largely because we're men.

Men are generally the ones expected to learn how to maintain the physical aspects of a household. We make repairs to the house, it's contents, and the vehicles. Over time we may have learned from our fathers, the internet, or from experience. So virtually all of us know it is idiotic to turn the heat completely off - yet, I can appreciate that someone who has had no experience in any of that wouldn't really think about the repercussions. There isn't anyone in there who needs the heat, so why keep it on?

Back in my 20's I had a girlfriend who wanted to make coffee, yet had no idea how to use a coffee maker. I'm not gonna lie - I looked down on her at times for being not the smartest woman in the world and to me, this just seemed outright idiotic. It's a fucking coffee maker. Figure it out. But the fact is, she simply had never used a coffee maker in her life and paired with her (lets call it) average intelligence, it was years later that I realized I wasn't exactly being fair.

Same thing here. Woman of average intelligence, who has no experience - doing what the rest of us feel is really stupid, but with all the best intentions.






Idiot.

I bet she sucked dick better than you.

[ercchry]

Well at some point we’re going to have to define stupid, and that’s my line in the sand

I would agree with half the population not having that voice in the back of their mind though… but probably equal between the genders, as the average person is pretty stupid.

Some women ask questions… the blonde I keep around the house asks me hilarious ones all the time