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    The potential of a negotiated peace once existed, but the USA and NATO had zero interest. I don't think it's even an option anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    The potential of a negotiated peace once existed, but the USA and NATO had zero interest. I don't think it's even an option anymore.
    I just think that you never negotiate with a country that's invaded another without provocation.

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    This Zelenskyy guy, when's his music album dropping?
    Triple threat: actor, singer, public speaker.
    Like the Canadian one. Maybe a collab soon on next album?

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    I like his no-nonsense fashion approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr2mike View Post
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    This Zelenskyy guy, when's his music album dropping?
    Triple threat: actor, singer, public speaker.
    Like the Canadian one. Maybe a collab soon on next album?
    Agree. Very big deal.
    Hasn't he been declared "Man of the Year" putting him in the illustrious company of KāteLyññ Jenner, Yassir Arafat and Soundwave?

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    I believe Western media where it is said this operation was doomed from the beginning. I think Putin felt if he took out Zelensky, he'd have enough support from Ukraine citizens that he could just strongarm Russian rule and it would become part of Russia again. Both proved to be untrue. I also appreciate the geographical importance of Ukraine, whereby it would be the natural direction of invasion from the West. But does Putin truly believe NATO has any interest in invading Russia? Our citizens would never allow it, and he must know that. It was just overly ambitious from the beginning.

    It's been slow over the winter, but offensives from both sides will ramp up when the ground firms. It's going to be a bloodbath with insane casualties on both sides. I don't expect them to come to an agreement any time soon, so there's gonna be a lot more death before diplomacy it appears. I also expect that on the Russian side, they are going to push HARD with an absolute ridiculous amount of manpower - most of which will be eliminated. Regrettably, seemingly without any concern from Putin.

    Ukraine stands to win their freedom, and a progressive ideology which in turn brings economic and sociological prosperity.

    What does Russia stand to win with taking over Ukraine? I'm not sure that's even their goal anymore. At this point, I see them wanting to hold onto what they have gained in eastern Donbass and Crimea, but that's likely their desired position to maintain in any negotiations. Which is really the opposite of what Ukraine is insisting on.

    Messy.

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    All the lunatics have come out.

    MAGA = My Ass Got Arrested.

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    Sometimes its not about winning, its about making sure the other guy doesn't. Like NASA.
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    For you nitwits that have swallowed so much US Propoganda on this war that its dripping down your chins, start here https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and...sis-in-ukraine

    And read or listen to anything by:

    Seymour M. Hersh
    Prof John Mearsheimer
    Prof Jeffery Sachs
    Prof Noam Chomsky
    Scott Ritter -Former Marine intelligence officer and the guy that blew the whistle on "WMD" lies
    Col. Douglas Macgregor - Former US Colonel and Pentagon adviser

    There's others that are telling the truth, but this start you with the facts.

    And no, Russia will not lose this war. They went in soft, underestimating the US willingness to sacrifice Ukraine while trying to hurt Russia. This is also an attempt to stay reserve currency and maintain Petro dollar dominance. This is why 80% of the world population supports Russia.
    MAGA = My Ass Got Arrested.

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    Mental health is a serious problem, last three posts have confirmed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jutes View Post
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    Mental health is a serious problem, last three posts have confirmed that.
    Fuck off, moron.

    PS.

    Germanys far right party calls for expulsion of US troops from Germany over Norstream.

    https://www.westernstandard.news/new...2182394f8.html
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    Another Pulizer Prize winning journalist can explain things to you brainwashed minions.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn9Nh8rJN3M
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    We really need more support for people with mental health problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilDrunkenSmurf View Post
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    We really need more support for people with mental health problems.
    Assisted suicide is the recent govt's best answer. Who am I to argue?!

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    This is the smartest leader on the world stage.
    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYyJkLBY/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    I also appreciate the geographical importance of Ukraine, whereby it would be the natural direction of invasion from the West. But does Putin truly believe NATO has any interest in invading Russia? Our citizens would never allow it, and he must know that. It was just overly ambitious from the beginning.
    I understand that Putin doesn't want to share a border with a NATO country (even though he shares a small border with Norway). While I don't think NATO would ever invade a country as it's defensive "in theory" and as you say the public wouldn't stand for it. Pressure from sharing a large border with a NATO country is the reason he's selling or losing whatever influence he may have had over Ukraine. Still terrible reasoning for an invasion as diplomacy could have solved this; threaten to shut off gas to Germany, threaten to trade goods in yuan etc, threaten to form your own anti-NATO organization with China, Iran, NK, etc; push for a reunification of East and West Taiwan. Some examples which were done after.

    He may have been led to believe that they would be welcomed as liberators in the western areas and would be an easy annexation, not turn into a huge spectacle. I also think NATO is a cold war relic and needs to be disbanded, but with Russia doing shit like this, it remains relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
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    I understand that Putin doesn't want to share a border with a NATO country (even though he shares a small border with Norway). While I don't think NATO would ever invade a country as it's defensive "in theory" and as you say the public wouldn't stand for it. Pressure from sharing a large border with a NATO country is the reason he's selling or losing whatever influence he may have had over Ukraine. Still terrible reasoning for an invasion as diplomacy could have solved this; threaten to shut off gas to Germany, threaten to trade goods in yuan etc, threaten to form your own anti-NATO organization with China, Iran, NK, etc; push for a reunification of East and West Taiwan. Some examples which were done after.

    He may have been led to believe that they would be welcomed as liberators in the western areas and would be an easy annexation, not turn into a huge spectacle. I also think NATO is a cold war relic and needs to be disbanded, but with Russia doing shit like this, it remains relevant.
    NATO has never did anything defensively. It has done LOTS of offense, and is now expanding into Asia.

    Afghanistan, Syria, Yugoslavia, iraq, Libya, Pakistan etc.

    They tried diplomacy in Ukraine ever since the US coupe in 2014, but 14,000 Russians were murdered in the assaults by fascists out east since, and they asked Russia for help.

    Russia had no choice. The US would do tland HAS done worse over much less.
    Last edited by Yolobimmer; 03-01-2023 at 10:35 AM.
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    The main thing is that the US is determined to force "regime" change in russia. And russia knows this.

    And this is where that ends up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by littledan View Post
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    The main thing is that the US is determined to force "regime" change in russia. And russia knows this.

    And this is where that ends up.
    Yup. America feels ENTITLED to rule the world for America's benefit. Fuck everyone else.
    MAGA = My Ass Got Arrested.

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    How do conflicts end? Who has motivations and resources to find an end-point?
    Interesting questions.
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    The war in Ukraine conjures up a strong sense of historical déjà vu. Though recorded in 21st-century fashion through up-close-and-personal shots from mobile phone cameras and high-definition drone footage, the images being captured – of artillery duels and trench warfare – have a distinctly last-century feel to them.

    Like Stalin’s invasion of Finland in the Winter War of 1939, the Russian army is bogged down and bloodied by a much smaller, outgunned enemy.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2...in-ukraine-end
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