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    The Ford Mustang Mach 1 sticks out to me as I realize the Cup 2 tires are worth a few seconds of lap time but it's impressive that it came out faster than a GT350R.

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    It's too bad that the Panamera, 5-V Blackwing and M5 didn't all have similar tires. Tough to beat a car when it's the only one running Cup 2's but, it's all within the rules.

    Any road course guys know how much of an advantage the cup tires gave the Porsche? My gut says that even the M5 would have beat it if it was running 4S's.

    It's also too bad they crashed the 4-V Blackwing, and therefore didn't get a good comparison vs the M3. That would have been a good matchup.


    If only a guy could actually get a Blackwing allocation these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 90_Shelby View Post
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    If only a guy could actually get a Blackwing allocation these days.
    What did the cadillac dealer say? Did you ask them about 5 and the 4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90_Shelby View Post
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    It's too bad that the Panamera, 5-V Blackwing and M5 didn't all have similar tires. Tough to beat a car when it's the only one running Cup 2's but, it's all within the rules.

    Any road course guys know how much of an advantage the cup tires gave the Porsche? My gut says that even the M5 would have beat it if it was running 4S's.

    It's also too bad they crashed the 4-V Blackwing, and therefore didn't get a good comparison vs the M3. That would have been a good matchup.


    If only a guy could actually get a Blackwing allocation these days.
    Hard to say what Cup2 are worth, but I’d say at least 3 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90_Shelby View Post
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    It's also too bad they crashed the 4-V Blackwing, and therefore didn't get a good comparison vs the M3. That would have been a good matchup.
    They did get a good comparison as GM had a replacement CT4-V sent over within hours of them crashing the first one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyD View Post
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    They did get a good comparison as GM had a replacement CT4-V sent over within hours of them crashing the first one.
    I read this statement in that they didn’t get everything out of the car that it was capable of, like they were spooked after the crash. “ But that's not the car's problem. Even with a second driver behind the wheel, we couldn't commit to taking the Esses the way Cadillac assured us was possible.”


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    What did the cadillac dealer say? Did you ask them about 5 and the 4?
    I only inquired about the 5.


    3 seconds is a massive difference for Cup 2’s and although I glazed over it initially, the Mach 1 also puts down impressive numbers despite the tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 90_Shelby View Post
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    I read this statement in that they didn’t get everything out of the car that it was capable of, like they were spooked after the crash. “ But that's not the car's problem. Even with a second driver behind the wheel, we couldn't commit to taking the Esses the way Cadillac assured us was possible.”
    Sharper on turn-in than the Caddy, the BMW moves with slightly more confidence. The steering only whispers what the front tires are up to, while the Cadillac's steering never stops crying "Hear ye, hear ye!" Call it a wash on braking feel and strength, and we're back to power. BMW's six delivers near supercar numbers, while the Cadillac musters sports-car speeds. Judged solely on times, the BMW is the winner.
    I would say it's the car's problem if drivers aren't confident taking it near its limits. At the end of the day the M3 has better steering, handling and has a better engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyD View Post
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    I would say it's the car's problem if drivers aren't confident taking it near its limits. At the end of the day the M3 has better steering, handling and has a better engine.
    If you're going for laptimes on a track, you absolutely want a car that's boring and predictable so drivers are confident in driving at the limit.

    For the street, it's the other way around. You want a car that'll be lively since you're never at the limit, and it's way more fun, so the CT4-V is probably more of a fun car to drive. I've never really liked the handling of the new M3/4's, it's just not a fun street car because it's such a good track car.

    The CT5-V sounds like a fucking blast to drive around. Found the first sentence in the review hilarious:

    Fast laps come one of two ways: clean or ugly. The 2:49.4 we managed in the CT5-V Blackwing unquestionably falls under the latter classification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    If you're going for laptimes on a track, you absolutely want a car that's boring and predictable so drivers are confident in driving at the limit.

    For the street, it's the other way around. You want a car that'll be lively since you're never at the limit, and it's way more fun, so the CT4-V is probably more of a fun car to drive. I've never really liked the handling of the new M3/4's, it's just not a fun street car because it's such a good track car.

    The CT5-V sounds like a fucking blast to drive around. Found the first sentence in the review hilarious:
    That's why AMG has been eating M's lunch for the last decade or more. They prioritized fun (and cool) on the street over track performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyD View Post
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    I would say it's the car's problem if drivers aren't confident taking it near its limits. At the end of the day the M3 has better steering, handling and has a better engine.
    You could be right about the 4-V Blackwing, I’m just happy that’s not the case for the 5-V Blackwing in comparison to the M5 CS.

    Cadillac for the win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    That's why AMG has been eating M's lunch for the last decade or more. They prioritized fun (and cool) on the street over track performance.
    I think it was clarkson that lamented that the problem with the GTR is they made it too good rather than being a normal bonkers AMG.
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    I think it was clarkson that lamented that the problem with the GTR is they made it too good rather than being a normal bonkers AMG.
    ya...and the usual decline in design language in order to make it look more aggressive.

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    I hope they extend the production on the 2 blackwings for a few years so we can get some allocations

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    To the sandy vagina who was triggered about me talking about a GTR and neg repped me for it. 1:10

    My bad, it was Matt Leblanc not Clarkson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    I hope they extend the production on the 2 blackwings for a few years so we can get some allocations
    Have they stated how long they will be in production? I haven't seen anything personally, with the exception that there was an initial run of 250 each, but nothing stating that was all they would make. I would think that they'll be in production for at least a few years and I can't see them actually limiting production if there is demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo View Post
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    Hard to say what Cup2 are worth, but I’d say at least 3 seconds.
    Agreed.

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    At the end of the day the M3 has better steering, handling and has a better engine.
    That's quite subjective. Just look at the results of the other GM Alpha Chassis cars on the list, they punch way above their price point. Alpha Chassis + Gen 4 Magnetomagical Shocks, this thing should be very good on the track. Also worth mentioning that a driver that isn't scared of the car did a 2:52.5 (a second faster than the M3 & 3 seconds faster than what C&D could manage).

    https://media.cadillac.com/media/us/...blackwing.html
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    Sounds like the is500 was a bit of a turkey in the short article I read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 94boosted View Post
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    Agreed.



    That's quite subjective. Just look at the results of the other GM Alpha Chassis cars on the list, they punch way above their price point. Alpha Chassis + Gen 4 Magnetomagical Shocks, this thing should be very good on the track. Also worth mentioning that a driver that isn't scared of the car did a 2:52.5 (a second faster than the M3).

    https://media.cadillac.com/media/us/...blackwing.html
    Boom goes the dynamite!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 94boosted View Post
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    Also worth mentioning that a driver that isn't scared of the car did a 2:52.5 (a second faster than the M3 & 3 seconds faster than what C&D could manage).
    Which makes the Cayenne Turbo GT lap time of 2:52.6 look even more silly. That SUV is bonkers.

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