BC Pay Transparancy Act

[holden]

New legislation comes into effect today. Could possibly have some impact to Alberta for jobs that listed as remote and hiring from both provinces.

Some highlights:

• Beginning November 1, 2023, all employers in B.C. must include the expected pay or the expected pay range for a specific job opportunity that they advertise publicly.

• Effective immediately, employers in B.C. can no longer ask job applicants about what they have been paid at positions with other employers.

• Also effective immediately, employers in B.C. cannot dismiss, suspend, demote, discipline or harass an employee who: Asks their employer about their pay, Reveals their pay to another employee or someone applying to work with their employer, etc.

[Buster]

Fucking morons

[ExtraSlow]

Point 1 isn't crazy. Maybe not a governmental priority but something people probably should do.

[riander5]

When can I get some clarity on what entry level civil engineers get paid in the lower mainland??

[Buster]

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Point 1 isn't crazy. Maybe not a governmental priority but something people probably should do.

see how this has turned out in other jurisdictions which have implemented this shit

[killramos]

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Point 1 isn't crazy. Maybe not a governmental priority but something people probably should do.

It’s bogus because it just leads to a lowball number that everyone is expected to negotiate up from.

Basically just list a number 50% less than you are willing to pay lol

[ExtraSlow]

That works until you have a lack of suitable applicants.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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It’s bogus because it just leads to a lowball number that everyone is expected to negotiate up from.

Basically just list a number 50% less than you are willing to pay lol

Wait - so are you saying that when there is financial incentive to circumvent the intent of a government system, smart people find ways to do that??!
Quelle surprise

[Swank]

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Reveals their pay to another employee or someone applying to work with their employer, etc.

Are Albertans not allowed to reveal how much they're paid to be on Beyond all day?

[bjstare]

Haha unreal. Imagine how many taxpayer dollars went into the circle jerk of bureaucracy to make this happen.

[firebane]

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Point 1 isn't crazy. Maybe not a governmental priority but something people probably should do.

God it would piss me off when looking for work and it would say "Competitive Wages for the Industry". You would apply and then they would say like $18-20 for a job that deserves at least $24-26

[bjstare]

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God it would piss me off when looking for work and it would say "Competitive Wages for the Industry". You would apply and then they would say like $18-20 for a job that deserves at least $24-26

Based off what rationale? Do you think they filled the role for $18, or did you negotiate it up to $24?

If they filled it at $18-20, I have bad news for you.

[suntan]

The vast majority of people can't negotiate at all, so whatever range they provide is what they will accept.

In this case having more information can be detrimental to the employee, since now both sides have a number to work from, whereas before an employee with work experience will want what they made previously or more.

[Brent.ff]

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That works until you have a lack of suitable applicants.

bingo. its hard to find good people, so if you lowball that, who is going to apply? better yet, would you want them?

[firebane]

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Based off what rationale? Do you think they filled the role for $18, or did you negotiate it up to $24?

If they filled it at $18-20, I have bad news for you.

Of course they can fill it at $18-20.. people out there don't know what they are worth or what the job is actually worth itself. So the company can under pay and over work and then have large turn over rates. Those employers undercutting like that will almost never budge and good luck if you stick around long enough to think about asking for a raise.

So if an employer is forced to actually state the wage for a role you are now going to get way less candidates because those who know they are worth something won't apply, and those new to the job market or are hurting will accept it.

[suntan]

What companies do for this is they make a range like $15-$100/hr

[holden]

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The vast majority of people can't negotiate at all, so whatever range they provide is what they will accept.

In this case having more information can be detrimental to the employee, since now both sides have a number to work from, whereas before an employee with work experience will want what they made previously or more.

I’m assuming people would not apply for jobs where the pay is not acceptable. If I’m looking for at least $X and the top of the posted range is $X-Y, I wouldn’t even apply. This is assuming I’m coming from a position where I already have a job and only looking to level up.

[bjstare]

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Of course they can fill it at $18-20.. people out there don't know what they are worth or what the job is actually worth itself. So the company can under pay and over work and then have large turn over rates. Those employers undercutting like that will almost never budge and good luck if you stick around long enough to think about asking for a raise.

So if an employer is forced to actually state the wage for a role you are now going to get way less candidates because those who know they are worth something won't apply, and those new to the job market or are hurting will accept it.

You did an excellent job of supporting my argument.

Your example of candidates who are brand new to the job market filling a job at the low end of the wage spectrum was spot on.

edit: and the underpay/overwork/high turnover is actually a business model that some (ok, many) companies deliberately implement. Might result in a tough go and a learning experience for an employee that isn't expecting it, but them's the breaks.

[killramos]

Let’s just be real. Job’s that are openly posted are the worst anyway.

[firebane]

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Let’s just be real. Job’s that are openly posted are the worst anyway.

My job was posted and I wouldn't say it falls into the category of "worst".