Twitter Musk and the hilarious meltdown

[Buster]

I literally do not personally know a smart successful person that is a regular twitter user.

[killramos]

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And I thought my job was boring.

You got me beat.

Yup lol

[Xtrema]

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Do any of you use Twitter? Has twitter crashed yet?
I know nothing about software or software companies, but I assume it'll need to get more fucked before it starts getting unfucked on an engineering level, and after that it'll get unfucked on a financial level. I think I said previously that it would be 18-24 months to get back to running efficeintly and profitably. Might revise that downward to 12-18 months.

As an IT guy, I admire Musk having the ball to go to town and rip things out and break shit but then again he is the sole stakeholder. For the rest of us, it's all about business continuity that nobody want to ever rock the boat and takes up to 3-4 years to get rid of stupid legacy shit even if politics are not involved.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

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Jesus please tell me you're kidding.

Jesus take the wheel

https://www.bunnyshell.com/blog/gitops-vs-devops

DevOps aims to eliminate the ‘silo mentality.’ It encourages teams to collaborate to deliver new features more quickly, deploy more frequently, and solve potential issues faster in case of failure.

Although the term DevOps refers to the development and IT operations teams, in reality, an organization that does DevOps well brings together all stakeholders.

GitOps is a specific System Operations (ops) process tied to a specific tool (Git). It’s an evolution of Infrastructure as Code (IaC) and a DevOps best practice that leverages Git as the single source of truth, and control mechanism for creating, updating, and deleting system architecture. Simply put, GitOps is the practice of using Git pull requests to verify and automatically deploy system infrastructure changes.

[rage2]

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Do any of you use Twitter? Has twitter crashed yet?
I know nothing about software or software companies, but I assume it'll need to get more fucked before it starts getting unfucked on an engineering level, and after that it'll get unfucked on a financial level. I think I said previously that it would be 18-24 months to get back to running efficeintly and profitably. Might revise that downward to 12-18 months.

I use it to get alerts on stuff. Like this whole last week, I've been using it to track down Jordan 1's. Service still running fine. I wasn't logged out so I never ran into the 2FA issue, just read about it.

The only thing weird is I see every Elon tweet as promoted now in my timeline. Double checked and I'm not following him.

[Buster]

IT guys talking shop is more interesting than watching soccer. Damning by faint praise, that.

[suntan]

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Yea, I read theirs and Netflix's regularly.


We're just arguing semantics here. DevOps responsibility is managing deployments, automation/shift to CI/CD, as well as develop monitoring solutions and monitoring them. They're the first up at seeing production issues and firefighting. That got split into SRE over the last 10 or so years were SRE's focus on site reliability (hence their name) to reduce firefighting. But depending on companies, the firefighting could belong on either side (for us it's SRE's responsibilities). Nobody knows what SRE is outside of saas companies, but we're on the same page.


Well I don't know how accurate the portrayal was, but developers were posting what was going down. Teams and slack messages were getting leaked everywhere. Staff there can't stand the change. It was reported as Elon sitting down with them, choosing 20% of services (a number he pulled out of his ass), shut down the rest to see what breaks. I don't think what's happening at twitter right now can be compared to what happens at a normal saas company.

If a developer is the first to see production issues, then they're not developers. Developers are supposed to be developing, not monitoring. Why the fuck would you have someone that develops monitoring shit? That's a colossal waste of resources. Well, I guess it is Twitter after all.

If you saw developers posting that shit, that doesn't mean they were the first to find out.

Yeah, DevOps has some part in keeping the service up and available in that you don't want shit code deployed, but using DevOps to scale the infrastructure up/down is well out of scope (at least, it should be). DevOps should keep services available when deployments happen.

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Jesus take the wheel

https://www.bunnyshell.com/blog/gitops-vs-devops

I like how you took a marketing term and pretend to know IT.

[rage2]

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IT guys talking shop is more interesting than watching soccer. Damning by faint praise, that.

Glad we can be of service lol.

[rage2]

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If a developer is the first to see production issues, then they're not developers. Developers are supposed to be developing, not monitoring. Why the fuck would you have someone that develops monitoring shit? That's a colossal waste of resources. Well, I guess it is Twitter after all.

We're talking about devops and SRE, when are we talking about a developer fire fighting or monitoring?

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

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I like how you took a marketing term and pretend to know IT.

I like how it's been my job for the last few years after leaving behind gatekeepers like you behind in "IT". Why don't you go shit post a little bit more on stack overflow and keep that superiority complex going.

[ThePenIsMightier]

Gettin spicey?
Which online gambling site will let me bet on computer nerds experts fighting?

[2Legit2Quit]

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Gettin spicey?
Which online gambling site will let me bet on computer nerds experts fighting?

https://ftx.com

[Misterman]

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Do any of you use Twitter? Has twitter crashed yet?
I know nothing about software or software companies, but I assume it'll need to get more fucked before it starts getting unfucked on an engineering level, and after that it'll get unfucked on a financial level. I think I said previously that it would be 18-24 months to get back to running efficeintly and profitably. Might revise that downward to 12-18 months.

This sounds about spot on and is the part nobody is considering. Elon is not there to make Twitter in it's currently known iteration, run smoothly like it has been and maintain status quo. He openly said to expect growing pains while he messes with stuff.

Twitter is not currently profitable, so he has nothing to lose right now by trying anything that comes to his mind on a whim. The cost of debt is increasing, and he needs to make profit asap. So best to just fail often, find out what doesn't work, and get to a place of finding something that does work. That's basic success principle 101.

[g-m]

Lol developers don't monitor! Who would get developers to monitor?? That's the monitors job! The developers develop, they don't monitor!

If we've got the developers monitoring then what are the monitors going to do?

[killramos]

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[ThePenIsMightier]

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Lol developers don't monitor! Who would get developers to monitor?? That's the monitors job! The developers develop, they don't monitor!

If we've got the developers monitoring then what are the monitors going to do?

I know this one. They would monitor lizards.

[Sentry]

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Lol developers don't monitor! Who would get developers to monitor?? That's the monitors job! The developers develop, they don't monitor!

If we've got the developers monitoring then what are the monitors going to do?

[sabad66]

DevOps devs absolutely get involved with day to day ops, potentially including *gasp* “monitoring”. That’s literally the whole point. Traditionally when dev was split out from ops, devs would deploy shitty code that wasn’t sustainable and couldn’t handle typical errors because they would just let the ops guys deal with it. With devops setups forcing devs to get involved in ops, it motivates devs to produce higher quality code so that they don’t have to deal with the boring day to day crap.

[killramos]

What we need are MonDevOps people

[JRSC00LUDE]

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Lol developers don't monitor! Who would get developers to monitor?? That's the monitors job! The developers develop, they don't monitor!

If we've got the developers monitoring then what are the monitors going to do?

How come when I read this I started hearing Jerry Seinfeld.