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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    Hasn't Charest lost running for Premier in Quebec? Maybe twice? Maybe 9x? No one fuckin likes him there either. Career of losing.

    He's the Brian Zshaaw to our Brian Gene.
    I thought he lost that one because the NO camp won during the referendum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redline View Post
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    quoted for truth...

    conservatives are dumb...
    Not that I think PP is necessarily electable out east, but Charest has a history of losing and looks corrupt as fuck. Investigated for corruption multiple times and worked as a Huawei shill. He would 100% cause a party split, and still get fucking rinsed by the liberals.

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    He’s just such a cut and dry big L liberal it’s hilarious

    Making a complete farce of our already farcical system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    Rempel is my MP. I could care less who run CPC.

    In term of beating Trudeau, I think Charest has a better chance than PP because of Quebec but I don't see how he can beat PP to lead CPC.
    Not trying to get rid of Trudeau necessarily. We need to get rid of his joke policies. Voting in someone else to continue those policies just because he wears blue instead of red is not helpful. And after seeing the demise of O'toole, it's not hard to fathom how unpopular Charest would be with Conservatives.

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    https://globalnews.ca/news/8874755/o...-results-2022/

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    If we use Ontario elections this week as a good gauge, its not looking good for the left. Those are substantial gains

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    If we use Ontario elections this week as a good gauge, its not looking good for the left. Those are substantial gains
    The Ontario Conservatives are anything but conservative. I do not think this means as much as one would think at a surface level. The conservatives bought the unions and promised massive spending. As far as I am aware, Ontario still has the largest subnational debt in the world, with it being projected before covid to be *checks notes* FOUR HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS LOL.

    The conservatives in Ontario are effectively parroting LPC policy in trying to keep debt growth below gdp growth. Markets are screaming right now about a possible worldwide recession in in the next 18 months. And then when Ontario defaults, the feds will offload their debt onto Alberta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    The Ontario Conservatives are anything but conservative. I do not think this means as much as one would think at a surface level. The conservatives bought the unions and promised massive spending. As far as I am aware, Ontario still has the largest subnational debt in the world, with it being projected before covid to be *checks notes* FOUR HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS LOL.

    The conservatives in Ontario are effectively parroting LPC policy in trying to keep debt growth below gdp growth. Markets are screaming right now about a possible worldwide recession in in the next 18 months. And then when Ontario defaults, the feds will offload their debt onto Alberta.

    Regardless if you think Ontarions were "tricked" into voting Conservative, or did so of sound mind, it seems likely that they could follow such thought processes towards their Federal votes.

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    I think it’s at least somewhat valuable to know that Ontarians are capable of electing someone who calls themselves conservative.
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    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/mar...dentity-crisis

    It still amuses me when a liberal tells the conservatives their movement is falling apart. Pierre has the overwhelming majority support, I'd say the base has never been so united. It appears the only ones who care are the chattering class that get a hard on for being different by acting as a red tory.

    Pierre can sell a united conservative vision, and actually offers a focused conservative message he can offer to the general public.
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    A rallied base has always been the CPCs problem. There was a never a doubt PP appealed to that base, but that isn't how you win an election. When the 'red tories' are getting scared is when they lose easily winnable elections (see: 2019)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    A rallied base has always been the CPCs problem. There was a never a doubt PP appealed to that base, but that isn't how you win an election. When the 'red tories' are getting scared is when they lose easily winnable elections (see: 2019)
    Your upside-down world viewpoint is that the CPC needs to be more Liberal to win. It's a stupid viewpoint, and you would be one of the Liberal voting losers telling people the conservatives are falling apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    Your upside-down world viewpoint is that the CPC needs to be more Liberal to win. It's a stupid viewpoint, and you would be one of the Liberal voting losers telling people the conservatives are falling apart.
    More Liberal, less Reform, more PC, less Republican. Whatever you want to call it, yes, that's what they need to do, because that's where the votes to be won are. The party's success came when they effectively shut the base up, not give them a platform to give Liberal attack ads a smorgasbord of content to choose from.

    The votes the CPC needs to win are the educated, suburban families who are looking for excuses to be able to ignore the CPCs social rhetoric for the slight hope they might get $50 off on their taxes. They already have the Conservative base vote all wrapped up. It's the most reliable voting bloc in the country and always has been. Catering to that base has always been the CPC's weakness.

    If the conservative base was actually falling apart, they'd comfortably win, because the base was very unhappy when the party had a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    More Liberal, less Reform, more PC, less Republican. Whatever you want to call it, yes, that's what they need to do, because that's where the votes to be won are. The party's success came when they effectively shut the base up, not give them a platform to give Liberal attack ads a smorgasbord of content to choose from.

    The votes the CPC needs to win are the educated, suburban families who are looking for excuses to be able to ignore the CPCs social rhetoric for the slight hope they might get $50 off on their taxes. They already have the Conservative base vote all wrapped up. It's the most reliable voting bloc in the country and always has been. Catering to that base has always been the CPC's weakness.

    If the conservative base was actually falling apart, they'd comfortably win, because the base was very unhappy when the party had a majority.
    My definition of "win" is whatever splinters Confederation. Do you think a be Red Tory running CPC or PP gets to that goal quicker?

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    I’ve been wishing I could vote bloc for a decade.
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    My definition of "win" is whatever splinters Confederation. Do you think a be Red Tory running CPC or PP gets to that goal quicker?
    That goal and voting Conservative are antithetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    That goal and voting Conservative are antithetical.
    Even so, one would be preferable over the other for that purpose. Which do you suppose that is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    Even so, one would be preferable over the other for that purpose. Which do you suppose that is?
    The most disruptive to voting patterns, obviously: the Red Tory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    The most disruptive to voting patterns, obviously: the Red Tory.
    I suspect you are right. A Red Tory is essentially a fox in the henhouse. It is the idea that all roads really do lead to a Liberal or a Liberal in disguise, serving a specific geographic area.

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    People who aspire to the government gravy tend to be Liberals?

    Weird.
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    Canadians vote on single issues even though that issue will never affect them, but will anyway because feelings. CPC can promise an end to income tax with a balanced budget yet morons in this country will vote liberal because abortion.

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