Trudeau Effectively Decriminalizes Drugs in BC

[vengie]

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Solving a crime problem is easier than solving a drug problem by making it a crime problem.

If they were actually hard on crime I'd agree, but alas...

[killramos]

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Solving a crime problem is easier than solving a drug problem by making it a crime problem.

[mr2mike]

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For who? I never see junkies and they don't cause any problems for me.

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Enabling drug users to keep using drugs without any repercussion and supporting their habit through crime is bad no matter which way you slice it. Change my mind.

It's only bad for awhile.
Growing pains suck.

[killramos]

I guess the crux of it for me is I am extremely doubtful of any pie in the sky feel good ideas that promise to cost less and work better. Especially when the government is involved.

My guess? Drug use/deaths/related crime skyrockets. And somehow we end up paying even more money to manage it.

Governments aren’t in the business of getting our if their own way, this will be no different.

[ExtraSlow]

I'm an eternal optimist. Somehow I believe that this is better than the previous method, which everyone agrees was very ineffective.

[suntan]

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I guess the crux of it for me is I am extremely doubtful of any pie in the sky feel good ideas that promise to cost less and work better. Especially when the government is involved.

My guess? Drug use/deaths/related crime skyrockets. And somehow we end up paying even more money to manage it.

Governments aren’t in the business of getting our if their own way, this will be no different.

Governments are very good at ending lives in the pursuit of ideals and money.

In fact, I'd say it's the thing they're the very best at.

[zechs]

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I'm an eternal optimist. Somehow I believe that this is better than the previous method, which everyone agrees was very ineffective.

Please define better.

[Buster]

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Found the Aspen bubble boy.

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Dirty SE for lyfe.

[OTown]

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Jail isn't fun by any means. But it certainly isn't deterring anyone in this lifestyle. My brother was one of these people, he told me that he generally go commit petty crime on purpose when the weather gets cold in the winter, because it's a warm bed and beats sleeping outside. He knew he would be out in a few months tops.

Yeah, but you are forgetting the part where they arent commiting those crimes while in jail.

[Misterman]

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Yeah, but you are forgetting the part where they arent commiting those crimes while in jail.

Well he's dead now, so he isn't committing any crime AND he isn't a tax payer burden. And I'm fairly certain had he never been in jail at all, it only would have accelerated his path to the grave.

[Shlade]

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Found the Aspen bubble boy.

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It's only bad for awhile.
Growing pains suck.

Junkies love Aspen area for break ins thanks to 69th st lol.

[Sentry]

Aspenites drive imports and the cats are worth more

[Xtrema]

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Please define better.

https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug...ecord-straight

What we have been doing is basically what the Chinese is doing with COVID right now. Refusing the admit that the problem will be with us for awhile and should find better ways to deal with it. I'm ES that it's not working and we should try something else. Portugal seems to be fine and Norway's and Oregon's decriminalization is too early to bear any meaningful stats.

[vengie]

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https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug...ecord-straight

What we have been doing is basically what the Chinese is doing with COVID right now. Refusing the admit that the problem will be with us for awhile and should find better ways to deal with it. I'm ES that it's not working and we should try something else. Portugal seems to be fine and Norway's and Oregon's decriminalization is too early to bear any meaningful stats.

Have you been to Portland recently?
You don't need stats to see how absolutely fucked they are currently, just eyes and common sense.

[killramos]

You know what they say about common sense.

[zechs]

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https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug...ecord-straight

Drug-related deaths have remained below the EU average since 2001
The proportion of prisoners sentenced for drugs has fallen from 40% to 15%
Rates of drug use have remained consistently below the EU average

Neat how they don't talk about in comparison to PORTUGAL'S own prior numbers.

So basically, they reduced the population in jail. There were no benefits above and beyond policy prior to 2000.

Its a complete sham. Reducing drug overdoses is not a BENEFIT if it does not also reduce users or rehabilitate them.

I'm not talking about benefits to the drug addicts, I'm talking about benefits to society. Also note how there is zero talk in this article about petty crime through drug dependency, or the cost of this program in whole beyond reduction in jail costs which are passed onto social services instead. It still is a cost.

All complete, absolute bullshit, as shown by the very argument you've linked. Congrats, they socialized druggies and supporting their habits and lifestyle. You call that a benefit??

[Xtrema]

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Have you been to Portland recently?
You don't need stats to see how absolutely fucked they are currently, just eyes and common sense.

I'm not sure if that's pre-existing or not. And I'm not even sure what's proposed will work. The amount of break-ins on 4th when Schumer was a safe injection site was insane. Now it's closed and 2 years of pandemic later, it somehow got worse? At least amount of cracked out people on the street seems to be more.

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All complete, absolute bullshit, as shown by the very argument you've linked. Congrats, they socialized druggies and supporting their habits and lifestyle. You call that a benefit??

Nope. Just want to try something else.

[ercchry]

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Dirty SE for lyfe.

*until the green line is built

[zechs]

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Nope. Just want to try something else.

Progressivism at its finest. Lets go the other way, lock people up for a long, long time for committing crimes. Those for drug crimes must go through mandatory indoctrination/rehab for years if not decades.

Zero tolerance policy for drugs in the jails. Its not hard to stop these things, just need to have the will to do so.

[Xtrema]

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Zero tolerance policy for drugs in the jails. Its not hard to stop these things, just need to have the will to do so.

There is zero tolerance policy in Japan and China. It's still accessible and sometimes down right cheap in China and a bit expensive in Japan.

Fentanyl has changed the game in Portugal too and they are starting to prosecute more drug offence. So you are right, it's not all rosey but they also fall short on implementing everything that was planned in 2000.

Then there is where you draw addiction line on other items? Alcohol? Cigs? Sugar? Mushroom? Pot? What if they abusing legal drugs? How about gambling?

So what, throw them in re-education camp against their will? What if they can't rehab? Are we paying $100K per head per year to keep them locked up?