Trudeau Effectively Decriminalizes Drugs in BC

[dirtsniffer]

Vaaaaancouver is nice to the addicts..

[OTown]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I guess we need to define the "issue". It's not the amount of OD's I take issue with personally. It's responding to them.

The amount of liability to just simply 'not show up' to a medical incident like an OD is just too much for AHS and other emergency services. Just think of the lawsuits from the families

[Misterman]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

We should really stop letting them out of prison. And make sure prison sucks enough that going there is enough of a deterrent to keep people on the straight and narrow.

Jail isn't fun by any means. But it certainly isn't deterring anyone in this lifestyle. My brother was one of these people, he told me that he generally go commit petty crime on purpose when the weather gets cold in the winter, because it's a warm bed and beats sleeping outside. He knew he would be out in a few months tops.

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The amount of liability to just simply 'not show up' to a medical incident like an OD is just too much for AHS and other emergency services. Just think of the lawsuits from the families

Let them try and sue all they want. As long as it's not in official print that "Under no circumstance do you respond to OD calls" they don't have a leg to stand on. Just triage that shit to the back of the line, and the problem will likely take care of itself by the time paramedics make it to that call. "Hey sorry, we tried. But it was too late by the time we got there"

[zechs]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

We need to find a society where whatever they do to rehabilitate criminals works and then do exactly what they are doing.
Because locking them in a box sure doesn't seem to work.

Do you know the recidivism rate for criminals, let alone drug addicts?

Rehabilitation is bullshit, it doesn't work. Guess what the most effective form of addiction counseling is? AA, because it places your trust and desire to be clean in a higher authority.

These people (drug addicts and criminals) WANT to live this life. That is why they do it.

[davidI]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Do you know the recidivism rate for criminals, let alone drug addicts?

Rehabilitation is bullshit, it doesn't work.

Norway disagrees.

As of 2014, Norway’s incarceration rate was at only 75 per 100,000 people. In addition, since developing its new prison system in the 1990s, its recidivism rate has decreased from around 60-70% to only 20% in recent years.

https://borgenproject.org/norways-prison-system/

[Sentry]

Norweigians are not shithead Canadians or Americans. What works there most likely won't here.

[killramos]

Why do I care about policies that are best for the criminals. How about policies that are best for productive members of society.

[davidI]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Why do I care about policies that are best for the criminals. How about policies that are best for productive members of society.

The idea is to make criminals productive members of society...

[Sentry]

They have to want that. Some do, many don't.

[killramos]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The idea is to make criminals productive members of society...

Sounds like a really really bad investment.

[ThePenIsMightier]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Do you know the recidivism rate for criminals, let alone drug addicts?

Rehabilitation is bullshit, it doesn't work...

It is extremely high because what we are doing isn't working and we keep trying the same thing expecting a different result. Every billion dollars we are spending not trying to rehab all these junkies and criminals is coming out of our pockets and going into the toilet. I'd rather have that money spent partially attempting to do something that sort of works.

[suntan]

How much does it cost to maintain vats of acid?

[zechs]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It is extremely high because what we are doing isn't working and we keep trying the same thing expecting a different result. Every billion dollars we are spending not trying to rehab all these junkies and criminals is coming out of our pockets and going into the toilet. I'd rather have that money spent partially attempting to do something that sort of works.

I'd rather just lock em up and throw away the key. Or now, just give them a bus ticket to BC now.

[vengie]

After watching a person making 6 figures turn to drugs and walk away from his family (Wife and 3 kids) and turn to a life of petty crime and drug dealing, completing two stints in rehab and multiple stints in jail, you'll forgive me if I don't have much faith in our system.

Everyone has a story, sure, but few make their way back to society. Enabling them further won't help.

[Misterman]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The idea is to make criminals productive members of society...

Spending a pile of money on trying to force a square peg through a round hole is stupid. It's stupider when that money could've gone to infrastructure or something else that benefits the majority. I think that's what Killramos is getting at.

[Yolobimmer]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

They have to want that. Some do, many don't.

That's comes down 100% addiction and to lack of options and opportunity.

Your privilege is deafening.

[Yolobimmer]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Do you know the recidivism rate for criminals, let alone drug addicts?

Rehabilitation is bullshit, it doesn't work. Guess what the most effective form of addiction counseling is? AA, because it places your trust and desire to be clean in a higher authority.

These people (drug addicts and criminals) WANT to live this life. That is why they do it.

Rehab 100% works.

But it should be a 6 month forced labour camp, with gradual release and graduation, with follow up weekly and monthly check ins.

- - - Updated - - -

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

After watching a person making 6 figures turn to drugs and walk away from his family (Wife and 3 kids) and turn to a life of petty crime and drug dealing, completing two stints in rehab and multiple stints in jail, you'll forgive me if I don't have much faith in our system.

Everyone has a story, sure, but few make their way back to society. Enabling them further won't help.

And I know a successful person, that slipped into bad crowd and lifestyle, with support pulled himself out, and now a successful multi millionaire CEO.

Your "straight and arrow" life is not a personal quality. It's at least 80% luck and circumstance.

[vengie]

Enabling drug users to keep using drugs without any repercussion and supporting their habit through crime is bad no matter which way you slice it. Change my mind.

[ThePenIsMightier]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I'd rather just lock em up and throw away the key. Or now, just give them a bus ticket to BC now.

Right, but that's not a feasible or sustainable solution, really. I'm getting to think of a place that does something radically different that prevents crime.

[Buster]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Enabling drug users to keep using drugs without any repercussion and supporting their habit through crime is bad no matter which way you slice it. Change my mind.

Solving a crime problem is easier than solving a drug problem by making it a crime problem.