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    “You will own nothing and be happy”
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    If you think I have been trying to present myself as intellectually superior, then you truly are a dimwit.
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    fact.
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    I wonder if this would eventually shift to a model where you can't own the vehicle at all? Keep people paying forever and just replace the batteries and re-release them out indefinitely?
    We are heading that way isn't it? With every manufacture teasing App/4G connectivity that become a monthly revenue one teaser period expires?

    In this case, Ford just want the battery back so they can be reconditioned and put it into next batch of cars or secondary battery storage market. They don't want you to own it. And if you do, cash up front, don't lease.

    Manufacturers are slowly learning they left so much $ on the table having buyout clause on leases since 2019 when 2-3 year old cars are now traded back in at close to MSRP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...out-leased-ev/

    New info out from Ford. Apparently buying the car out after a lease won't be an option.



    I wonder if this would eventually shift to a model where you can't own the vehicle at all? Keep people paying forever and just replace the batteries and re-release them out indefinitely?
    I doubt we will own cars within the next two decades as right to repair becomes so fucked that you will be unable to fix your vehicles.

    "Oops, your car is no longer supported by Ford OS updates and is therefore unsafe for use on the road, your car will be disabled"
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    If I had known you guys would end up being such bitches, I would’ve opened the parenting forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    I doubt we will own cars within the next two decades as right to repair becomes so fucked that you will be unable to fix your vehicles.

    "Oops, your car is no longer supported by Ford OS updates and is therefore unsafe for use on the road, your car will be disabled"
    Lots of that is already happening now. You need a dealer tool to replace a ton of things. Even a battery in some cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    "Oops, your car is no longer supported by Ford OS updates and is therefore unsafe for use on the road, your car will be disabled"
    BMW has to register your battery on replacement for what, over a decade now?

    We are working towards disposable cars.

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    “You will own nothing and be happy”

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    I really lost interest in cars about a year or two ago. All of you guys will be joining me shortly.

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    Soon you won’t be allowed to own your e bike either.
    Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    #ridgeline4lyfe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    I really lost interest in cars about a year or two ago. All of you guys will be joining me shortly.
    Drive a big rowdy v8 'merican powered something with a stick.

    Hasn't changed, still a good experience, probably has gotten better with how well made aftermarket parts are nowadays.

    You can daily drive a 600hp N/A LS engined anything with any amenities you want. More if you do a simple supercharger setup.
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    If I had known you guys would end up being such bitches, I would’ve opened the parenting forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    Drive a big rowdy v8 'merican powered something with a stick.

    Hasn't changed, still a good experience, probably has gotten better with how well made aftermarket parts are nowadays.

    You can daily drive a 600hp N/A LS engined anything with any amenities you want. More if you do a simple supercharger setup.
    sure, but that experience is going away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    Drive a big rowdy v8 'merican powered something with a stick.

    Hasn't changed, still a good experience, probably has gotten better with how well made aftermarket parts are nowadays.

    You can daily drive a 600hp N/A LS engined anything with any amenities you want. More if you do a simple supercharger setup.
    Don't forget the 20l/100km fuel economy and the $2.20 fuel for prem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    sure, but that experience is going away.
    Is it? I think this debate has been had before elsewhere on this board, but horses didn't disappear, ICE cars will be around for a long time (forever?) Ethanol is kind-of-sort-of a renewable fuel, cars will likely just have to switch over to that. In North America we are fine. Unless you mean literal banning of ICE cars period no exceptions, I doubt that a blanket ban will occur in the Free Republic of Alberta, nor in Canada if the Liberals aren't given a complete stranglehold for the next 15 years straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    Is it? I think this debate has been had before elsewhere on this board, but horses didn't disappear, ICE cars will be around for a long time (forever?) Ethanol is kind-of-sort-of a renewable fuel, cars will likely just have to switch over to that. In North America we are fine. Unless you mean literal banning of ICE cars period no exceptions, I doubt that a blanket ban will occur in the Free Republic of Alberta, nor in Canada if the Liberals aren't given a complete stranglehold for the next 15 years straight.
    I mean more the R+D side from manufacturers. I mean, if you're satisfied driving old cars as a hobby, you are going to get a lot more out of ICE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    Is it? I think this debate has been had before elsewhere on this board, but horses didn't disappear, ICE cars will be around for a long time (forever?) Ethanol is kind-of-sort-of a renewable fuel, cars will likely just have to switch over to that. In North America we are fine. Unless you mean literal banning of ICE cars period no exceptions, I doubt that a blanket ban will occur in the Free Republic of Alberta, nor in Canada if the Liberals aren't given a complete stranglehold for the next 15 years straight.
    Don’t forget synthetic fuel - Porsche is working hard on this right now.

    The EU just compromised and are allowing carbon net fuels for ICE passed 2035. Woot for engine noise.
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    I really lost interest in cars about a year or two ago. All of you guys will be joining me shortly.

    Nope, I just keep driving 90s cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukyo8 View Post
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    Nope, I just keep driving 90s cars
    That's cool, but it's turning into a niche hobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkane View Post
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    Don’t forget synthetic fuel - Porsche is working hard on this right now.
    This is nothing more than a POC, no chance it becomes real. Especially considering it can't be more than a few more years before battery capacity/charging issues are solved.

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    People who think synthetic fuel is smart are people I would not trust with money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    People who think synthetic fuel is smart are people I would not trust with money.
    I mean, ethanol is effectively one giant government financed boondoggle and yet people have made money off of it.

    Would love to see how the infrastructure and waste of arable land for fuel instead of food all comes together to make sense, but haven't seen a white paper on that coming close to being believable.
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    As a person that once swore off EV's I hate to say it but after driving a Model 3 Performance for a month I can say I'm not really missing much about ICE cars. It's not like I'm tracking cars here and the reality is that my cars are used for commuting. I'm actually going to have a lot of interest when we get to the stage where real automakers are offering dedicated EV sports cars. Yes there's a loss of that visceral sensation when driving a beautifully sounding ICE vehicle but we can't change the present or future so you either make the decision to pack up your bags and go home or embrace the new technologies and continuing to enjoy other dynamics of driving like handling, acceleration, modding appearance, etc. As with everything else in life it's all about what you make of it. You can choose to be a negative Nancy that lives in the past or choose enjoy today and have fun with the tools available to you.

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