Current dealership fuckery?

[mr2mike]

Might have to move this to the Ask Leo now. Keep it hidden from public eye.
I guess, no dealer name has been stated.
Would love to see others help out in this battle or join the lawsuit.

[ExtraSlow]

Yeah. V

[rage2]

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Government regulation is NOT free market economics, the reason dealerships exist is because of GOVERNMENT regulation. Notice how I said "value added". Walmart serves a purpose, do you understand what the fuck a middleman is or what the term rent seeking means?

Jesus christ

Canada does not have laws to force a dealership model. That is an American thing. There are no Canadian laws to stop manufacturers from opening their own stores. Most of the Mercedes Benz stores in Toronto are in face corporate stores. Tesla was never impeded here.

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so many losers here willing to take it on the chin instead of fight the good fight.

Go shak go. Sue the fuckers... have some fun. Turn it into a class action. Worst case have some fun while they pay their lawyers to figure out if the have any risk.

It’s easy to say sue them, but it all depends on what contract was signed. We haven’t seen that yet. Deposit order forms are notoriously vague (in my experience). No prices, nothing set on them. No guarantees of a price, let alone adhering to msrp or anything. I mean if a deposit contract is super consumer friendly, I’d fire the lawyer that drafted it. The only pro consumer part of the deposit process, funny enough, is dealership organization rules which heavily favors the consumer for getting their deposit back if the deal falls through, regardless of what’s on the contract.

The whole msrp and sticking by it model is archaic and really fucks the free market model. Traditional manufacturers are way the fuck too slow to respond and we weep like we’re getting ripped off. Meanwhile Tesla upped their msrp 8x this year and everyone still sucking Elon’s cock thinking it’s an amazing deal cuz they can resell for the same price a year later. It’s literally the same thing except for the msrp making it feel like you’re getting ripped off because the dealer is making that money and not you. While elon gets richer anyways haha.

Shaks a lawyer. He’s read the contract. He’s posting about it here because he knows there’s probably no recourse.

[gwill]

forcing someone into a credit check changes the dynamics of things. F$%# the dealership.

[shakalaka]

@rage2 I actually wouldn't say that - re: I don't think there's a recourse. Funny enough, I haven't even read the 'contract' as my brother has been under the weather and hasn't had a chance to send it to me. I just know in vague terms that there was a piece of paper, that had the details of the vehicle listed, with a price on it of MSRP + taxes, though there was no actual VIN number, there was a tracking number that identified the allocation as to which unit it will be eventually and then them confirming taking the $5K deposit from my brother. The way I am seeing it is that dealership made an offer by presenting the Sheed with price point on it, my brother accepted is by putting down the deposit and consideration was exchange of 'goods' being the truck. So to me says there's a legally binding contract. Further sealed by the fact that they ran a credit check.

But as we all know, there's never only one interpretation of a situation and that is what the name of the game, i.e., law is. Always can argue on different angles, so I will make up my mind when I actually see the document. As I said before, the way I am feeling right now, even if ultimately I come to the 'realization' that the chance of success is low, I might still pursue it just to fuck with them a little bit and run them some legal costs which wouldn't be any less than what they would have made in profit by selling the truck for more. Except if successful, then on top of that, I will seek specific performance (follow through with the contract and sell truck for MSRP) plus punitive damages (punishment for acting shady). At the same time it is a lot of work and my time is quite tight for the most part as it is so not sure if I'd want to venture into a pro bono witch hunt against a big dealership if the chance of success isn't great. Let's see.

[gwill]

wouldn't you have a draft done up in an hour? How much time do you think you'd need to set aside to stick it to this dealership?

[Disoblige]

Shaka, Beyond is due for a claw-level news blow-up.

If there is substance and the dealership gets owned from it, you bet your ass this is going on the news and it will actually create some positive change. Dealers may think twice before pulling this shit. I hope the documents give you the smoking gun you need.

Popcorn ready.

[Shlade]

Buy another Rebel then drive it through the main doors

[ThePenIsMightier]

My uneducated 2¢ says LoL at punitive damages in a case that is moderately tenuous.
But I agree, I think you're currently in a "Contract-A, Contract-B" scenario and it will be easy to rattle their cage a bit and possibly get ahead of them.

[Gman.45]

Shaka, Beyond is due for a claw-level news blow-up.

If there is substance and the dealership gets owned from it, you bet your ass this is going on the news and it will actually create some positive change. Dealers may think twice before pulling this shit. I hope the documents give you the smoking gun you need.

Popcorn ready.

Here Here.



Circa 1996 when I'd been in Calgary for a few years, I put down $500 on a Dodge Caravan at Varsity as I needed something to haul gear around in that had a low rear gate so I could roll stuff up a ramp at the back. They pulled a bunch of typical shit at the finance department, trying to add the usual BS which I refused, and then offered me a "stronger" offer from 2 banks which was simply them adding in their usual BS and hoping I didn't notice the payments increasing as well as the extra 12 months on the finance term. Needless to say words were exchanged and I told them to eat shit and the deal was off. This was a long time ago, and getting your $$$ back was a lot more of a pita than it is now.

Varsity refused daily for 2 weeks to refund me my deposit. NBD, 500 bucks right, but the principal of it really grinded the gears for a time. I went down there in person finally, and had a big blow out with them, still didn't get my $$ back, and finally threw in the towel before I ended up in a dust up with their manager and finance tard.

Fast forward a few more weeks, and a story was 3rd page in the Calgary Sun about some older guy who got the same sort of shaft from Varsity, who rented a mobile lit up sign, which he towed around their dealership for days behind his truck, and he'd change the message daily to some new insult about Varsity. I went down one day to speak with him, and there were 2 other people, so 4 of us total just in the space of one hour, who had been ripped off similarly. A lot of people called in when the local radio covered it too.

I know Beyond likes to torch the realtors, but IMO the finance guys at dealers are 100x worse. I'm sure there are some that are ok, I haven't met any or dealt with any yet though.

[Pauly Boy]

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I know Beyond likes to torch the realtors, but IMO the finance guys at dealers are 100x worse.

The bonfire is big enough for both, let's not limit ourselves lads!

[ExtraSlow]

Growth and abundance mindset.

[rage2]

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@rage2 I actually wouldn't say that - re: I don't think there's a recourse. Funny enough, I haven't even read the 'contract' as my brother has been under the weather and hasn't had a chance to send it to me. I just know in vague terms that there was a piece of paper, that had the details of the vehicle listed, with a price on it of MSRP + taxes, though there was no actual VIN number, there was a tracking number that identified the allocation as to which unit it will be eventually and then them confirming taking the $5K deposit from my brother. The way I am seeing it is that dealership made an offer by presenting the Sheed with price point on it, my brother accepted is by putting down the deposit and consideration was exchange of 'goods' being the truck. So to me says there's a legally binding contract. Further sealed by the fact that they ran a credit check.

But as we all know, there's never only one interpretation of a situation and that is what the name of the game, i.e., law is. Always can argue on different angles, so I will make up my mind when I actually see the document. As I said before, the way I am feeling right now, even if ultimately I come to the 'realization' that the chance of success is low, I might still pursue it just to fuck with them a little bit and run them some legal costs which wouldn't be any less than what they would have made in profit by selling the truck for more. Except if successful, then on top of that, I will seek specific performance (follow through with the contract and sell truck for MSRP) plus punitive damages (punishment for acting shady). At the same time it is a lot of work and my time is quite tight for the most part as it is so not sure if I'd want to venture into a pro bono witch hunt against a big dealership if the chance of success isn't great. Let's see.

Waiting for an update. Factory orders with no VIN is the norm since you don’t get it till the start of production, which makes this impossible to enforce. Their out would be we didn’t get you an allocation. There’s no guarantee on an allocation at all.

Aside from penalties from corporate, there’s nothing stopping them from charging whatever they want on a new car. No different than any other business right now taking advantage of supply demand curve.

[max_boost]

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The bonfire is big enough for both, let's not limit ourselves lads!

Is it a top down thing. Like their bosses tell them they must sell x number of extended warranties or else … probably right

[bjstare]

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Is it a top down thing. Like their bosses tell them they must sell x number of extended warranties or else … probably right

Absolutely. All salespeople have targets.

[DonJuan]

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...
Fast forward a few more weeks, and a story was 3rd page in the Calgary Sun about some older guy who got the same sort of shaft from Varsity, who rented a mobile lit up sign, which he towed around their dealership for days behind his truck, and he'd change the message daily to some new insult about Varsity. I went down one day to speak with him, and there were 2 other people, so 4 of us total just in the space of one hour, who had been ripped off similarly. A lot of people called in when the local radio covered it too. ...

I remember hearing about this from my brother, who worked at a dealership, was talking about the bad press all dealerships were taking, not just Chrysler.

+1 for law suit.
+999 for the ask leo shady dealership naming thread.

[littledan]

I'm confused here. VIN or not, there is a contract/agreement to purchase said vehicle for said price. So if they don't give him this allocation/VIN, they still need to sell him one for that price at some point? is the worry that they will just drag their feet indefinitely? Then you could sue based on breach of contract? what am I missing here.

[T-Dubbs]

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I'm confused here. VIN or not, there is a contract/agreement to purchase said vehicle for said price. So if they don't give him this allocation/VIN, they still need to sell him one for that price at some point? is the worry that they will just drag their feet indefinitely? Then you could sue based on breach of contract? what am I missing here.

+1

[Buster]

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I'm confused here. VIN or not, there is a contract/agreement to purchase said vehicle for said price. So if they don't give him this allocation/VIN, they still need to sell him one for that price at some point? is the worry that they will just drag their feet indefinitely? Then you could sue based on breach of contract? what am I missing here.

we're probably missing the documentation (that he signed) that basically tells him he has no right to anything.

[benyl]

Somebody is trying to crowdsource data on markups.

https://markups.org/search.html?title=trx