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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
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    Can I also just add in that alternator, starter and battery are not what I would consider expensive repairs on a LR/RR. Expensive is usually engine replacement, wiring harness shorts etc.

    Also @finboy that LX570 is very tempting. Why maroon, WHYYYY? Who goes to a dealership and says: Yes here is $120k now give me that flagship SUV in the shittiest colour possible.
    I would agree that a starter is a 'cheap' item vs. a water pump for example or timing kit.

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    You asked for opinions but you donÂ’t like the responses as you understandably have a very biased perspective of what took place. My intention wasnÂ’t to be a dick but I canÂ’t comprehend how you have expected maintenance and repairs on this vehicle to be simple and straightforward when itÂ’s a vehicle with a very poor reputation for this exact scenario. YouÂ’re accusing the shop of negligently damaging multiple parts on your vehicle because more then one part needed to be replaced. How do you think Land Rovers ended up with such a bad reputation for costly repairs and failures?
    This is not true. Yes, I have my own thoughts, and I came on here to see if my line of thinking was appropriate or not. But then I have you (and others) basically saying that I can't expect things not to fail on a shitty brand. But I never said I didn't expect things to fail. I said I didn't expect things to fail the moment I bring it to the shop with no prior indication of failure, AND the fact they are working in the vicinity and on the same circuit. For my part, I honestly cannot comprehend how so many of you are perfectly ok with misdiagnosis which could cost you thousands, or potential negligence by shops. This is why I asked the question (which nobody answered) of how much negligence or "suspect" work is deemed acceptable? To me, people bring their vehicle to shops to ensure it is done properly. If that wasn't an expectation, I'd just do everything myself and then probably fuck it up myself. Same diff.

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    you are like the typical shitty service customer. Wont work on your own car, want others to do the work but doesn't want to pay for shit.

    First problem is you diagnose a problem that it needs an alternator. perhaps you are right, but could also be that you're wrong.
    Then you go to rockauto to order one, which I mean, might very well be the wrong part. Especially on a brand so sensitive to electrical problems as a LR, that has a million variations of the same part.
    Then go you to a shop you know doesnt fucking know what they're doing, to do a job they have no fucking idea how to do. So when they fucked up, you have no fucking idea why....

    So finally a million other problems later, you figured that you would clear the codes or figure it out yourself, only to HAVE to bring it back to the dealer.

    Then you cry about having to pay for a starter at the dealer. Hey you know what , why dont you order one from rock auto and change it yourself or bring it to another shitty shop and have them fuck it up too.

    Honestly this is very harsh. But fuck, you brag that you can afford the maintenance
    Wow. So, are you dudes capable of reading, or do you just literally smooth over the stuff that doesn'tr fit your narrative?

    1) False. I DO work on my own car most of the time, but I knew access to the alternator without a lift was a bitch. I'm also perfectly happy to pay for the service that I brought my vehicle in for.
    2) False. Not only do *I* feel it needs an alternator, based on using a stethascope to listen to the noise and based on voltage readings, but I also paid for the diagnosis at TRS. Read.
    3) Yes, I went to Rock Auto. Is that a crime? Sure, it's not genuine Land Rover but frankly, it's a ridiculous statement to suggest there is something inherently wrong with quality odd-brand parts which at least half of repairs are made with.
    4) Yes, I took it to a shop that has had difficulty diagnosing and doing anything more than basic bolt-on work. I felt this was basic bolt-on work. I will admit that perhaps it wasn't the best choice in retrospect, but does that inherently absolve a shop from wrecking anything? And furthermore, I accepted that there probably isn't much I can do about their shitty work and my main issue was with the starter debacle.
    5) Well, there were not a million problems later. There were a lot of codes, if that is what you are referring to. I cleared the codes in front of the tech, and conversed with him to try to figure out what was happening. Please tell me why either are unreasonable? I HAD to bring it back to the dealer because they didn't know what was going on. Not because of anything *I* did. Not even sure what you're getting at here.
    6) I "cry"? I'm simply asking for advice and opinions. You're gaslighting.
    7) I didn't *brag* about anything. I was called a "baller" to which I replied that I was NOT, but that this wasn't about money problems. And it isn't. It's about the premise, and that circles back to my original ASK of you guys as to what tolerance you have to shops breaking stuff. Like... dude... what are you even reading? Quote where I was bragging?!?!

    It's like you read what is written, but completely ignore everything I've ACTUALLY said, and then act "harsh" (as you put it. I call it being an asshole unnecessarily) against a narrative supported by multiple "facts" that you plucked out of your head. Now, don't get me wrong - acting like assholes towards each other is pretty normal on Beyond and I suppose expected, but when you spew a paragraph of shit based almost exclusively on falsities, it's like dealing with the stereotypical woman at her time of the month where nothing is logical, but yet she's real passionate and in your face. Or, alternatively, a child who just isn't smart enough yet to comprehend the situation.

    More likely, I suspect this is neither. My guess is that you like being condescending to levitate your own perceived sociological standing in your head, because being on "Team McLaren" just isn't enough to make you feel like your balls are big enough. Sound about right? But unlike you, I will NOT state this as fact simply because it's my belief.

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    IÂ’m sure this happens all the time, handy diy guy who can fix his own car decides to take it to a shop because he knows something will go wrong.
    Yet another statement designed to fit a narrative that doesn't exist. How exactly did I "know" something would go wrong? It's a fucking alternator change. Once accessible, 4 bolts. Please... tell me how did I "know"? Or are you just following the mob mentality?

    Seriously. Fuck some of you. I come on here to try to have reasonable conversation with like-minded car guys, and to get OPINIONS as to whether these kinds of experiences are deemed acceptable/normal or not, and all you want to do is shit on a guy when he's already down. If you could all actually state points that related to facts, that would be a debate - which I'm happy to participate in. Instead, all I hear is: You had it coming to you for buying a brand known for reliability issues. (As do so many other brands, and then when I bring that up, it's ignored because it doesn't fit your narrative). Or, accusations against my person which are not founded. Let me remind everyone that when I first got this Rover it had a blown transmission, and that was a huge debacle for which I voluntarily lost thousands to not leave the owner of that shop with a loss.

    Should have known this would turn into an ego flex and self-righteousness competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipstah View Post
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    $260 is my final offer
    I’m out, would be well over 10k by the time the electrical gets figured out
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    That lx570 I posted is just a rare colour, you can get black or Jewish racing gold for 25-30k all day
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    I love that vehicles considered good, reliable purchases in Europe are always absolute lemons here

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    Year for year, your average car will have twice the mileage here than a euro one. Combine that with a lack of inspections* that allows owners to defer maintenance indefinitely and you get lemons.

    *I absolutely do not support euro style inspections and emissions testing, I want the freedom to drive a shitbox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haggis88 View Post
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    I love that vehicles considered good, reliable purchases in Europe are always absolute lemons here
    We are racist against Europeans. Or maybe that's just me.

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    @Kloubek ,

    Beyond is a mix of light-heartedness + serious advice and be prepared for both. In all seriousness, if you want to keep going and the RR brings you joy, no amount of troll posts will help you overcome your feeding the money pit monster.

    If you're at a fork in the road, from what I can see, you're at that point where errors will just be exponentially happening. If you're okay getting a tan from the dashboard lighting up like a Christmas tree, run it to the ground. If you have OCD and want a clear dash, I'd cut my losses and either dump it at Regal or a Mechanic's Special.

    Once electrical goes haywire, you're really looking for a needle in a haystack.

    Personally, if I can find an equivalent, I'd add up my losses and if my next quote is equal to a used car sale, I'd walk.

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    I’m out, would be well over 10k by the time the electrical gets figured out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    Should have known this would turn into an ego flex and self-righteousness competition.
    Beyond 101, never use this forum for any help/opinions. People are much more interested in dick measuring and sarcastic remarks then being of any benefit.

    Nothing you are saying is unreasonable, but the reality is that this is a common occurence at 95% of shops. The mechanics do not have a magical diagnostic tool, and they do the cheapest, shittiest, most profitable methods of diagnosis to get as much money from you as possible. Unless a mechanic has seen the specific issue you are having before, they can literally do nothing more then you would, besides start replacing parts.

    We have a Sonic RS. After replacing the engine, the alternator light was on. Provides good, solid voltage. Replaced the amp clamp, replaced the battery ground cable, finally my dad replaced the alternator (which I told him not to, and he bought an OEM GM alternator). Sure enough, alternator light is still on. So I took hptuners, turned the light off, voila. Some shop would have charged us $5k and probably not even have fixed the issue.
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    I have been working with a shop for a few years now, that started with little turbo subaru experience. They listen to my information, do their own diagnosis and we discuss what to do. I learned a while ago not to try and force feed them my diagnosis since they are professionals and can take more time and detail looking into things. I would say they are pretty good at working on these cars but as a general mechanics, non-specialty shop they will always lack some diagnostic tools that even I have.

    I suspect that if you worked with this (or any) non-specialty shop on this vehicle more frequently you would start to see better outcomes as they learn the vehicle in general, and your vehicle in particular. If you keep doing the majority of the work yourself I would try and find a more specialized shop that you can partner with for repairs. Where you live may factor into whether or not you can do this. I went with a local shop that was good to work with instead of a farther away specialty shop as the value proposition leaned toward staying as local as possible and developing the relationship more than I could with a specialty shop.

    Even with a good relationship, I have found most shops (large, small, dealer, independent etc.) won't take a lot of responsibility for their work. I had a shop repair a wiring harness to the hatch and they literally just twisted wires together and taped them, no solder, no butt splices, and it failed within 6 months. Considering they are a specialty shop, and much further away, that was enough for me to not return. I can take things back to the local with absolutely zero inconvenience and while they aren't going to perform a new repair due to a misdiagnosis (eg. they work on a noise believed to be suspension but turns out within days to be brakes, or something like that), I get benefits for being a return customer, like preferential treatment, ability to supply parts, and occasional discounts (without asking).

    I'm not saying people shouldn't own up to their mistakes, but it is a lot easier to get what you want when you have a good, long-term relationship. Maybe re-evaluate how you service this vehicle in particular and figure out if the issues that can arise by having an unfamiliar (to the brand) mechanic doing infrequent work can be solved by a different approach to the overall servicing of the vehicle.

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    Any decent shop will honor their work within reason. The problem is that you supplied the part and told them exactly what to do.

    If it was 'there's a problem; may we get a resolution?' and it's their parts, then it's an easier conversation because the issue is just with them.

    Also, you took a shot at a meh shop again so that was on you my man. I would've tried my chances on a new shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipstah View Post
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    Any decent shop will honor their work within reason. The problem is that you supplied the part and told them exactly what to do.

    If it was 'there's a problem; may we get a resolution?' and it's their parts, then it's an easier conversation because the issue is just with them.

    Also, you took a shot at a meh shop again so that was on you my man. I would've tried my chances on a new shop.
    As a shop owner, I hate when customers bring their own parts. They usually bring the wrong parts and you are stuck half way through the job ordering the right parts then they get pissed when their bill is higher. Im not eating the cost of your car tying up my hoist due to your cheapness. And diy you0tube mechanics who cut a part out at pick n pull and expect you to fix their car in the amount of time it took them to cut that part out at PNP

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipstah View Post
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    The problem is that you supplied the part and told them exactly what to do.

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    The part he supplied and what he asked them to do has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Nothing.

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    As a shop owner, I hate when customers bring their own parts. They usually bring the wrong parts
    Except this strawman you invented has nothing to do with what is going on in this thread. I REALLY hate it when a shop owner fucks up royally and blames everything except themselves for the issues they caused.

    I am not one to buy my own parts and bring them, but the number of times I've seen shops fuck up ordering the correct parts and delaying the repair is laughable. To act like shops are any better, give your head a shake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-ZUS View Post
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    As a shop owner, I hate when customers bring their own parts. They usually bring the wrong parts and you are stuck half way through the job ordering the right parts then they get pissed when their bill is higher. Im not eating the cost of your car tying up my hoist due to your cheapness. And diy you0tube mechanics who cut a part out at pick n pull and expect you to fix their car in the amount of time it took them to cut that part out at PNP
    My Honda guy back home had a shop policy that he wouldn't fit customer supplied parts for repairs and he was selective about what brands he would install for modifications/upgrades

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    Unless you can learn to love random fuckarounds, razzing from your favorite car forum, and consistent four figure repair bills… you should sell this POS.

    At the best of times they’re a celeb spec vehicle that offer little real world benefit. How much of your limited time on earth do you want to spend trying to make this vehicle work in your life? These things are the Fyre Festival of the automotive world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    This is not true. Yes, I have my own thoughts, and I came on here to see if my line of thinking was appropriate or not. But then I have you (and others) basically saying that I can't expect things not to fail on a shitty brand. But I never said I didn't expect things to fail. I said I didn't expect things to fail the moment I bring it to the shop with no prior indication of failure, AND the fact they are working in the vicinity and on the same circuit. For my part, I honestly cannot comprehend how so many of you are perfectly ok with misdiagnosis which could cost you thousands, or potential negligence by shops. This is why I asked the question (which nobody answered) of how much negligence or "suspect" work is deemed acceptable? To me, people bring their vehicle to shops to ensure it is done properly. If that wasn't an expectation, I'd just do everything myself and then probably fuck it up myself. Same diff.

    Seriously. Fuck some of you. I come on here to try to have reasonable conversation with like-minded car guys, and to get OPINIONS as to whether these kinds of experiences are deemed acceptable/normal or not, and all you want to do is shit on a guy when he's already down. If you could all actually state points that related to facts, that would be a debate - which I'm happy to participate in. Instead, all I hear is: You had it coming to you for buying a brand known for reliability issues. (As do so many other brands, and then when I bring that up, it's ignored because it doesn't fit your narrative). Or, accusations against my person which are not founded. Let me remind everyone that when I first got this Rover it had a blown transmission, and that was a huge debacle for which I voluntarily lost thousands to not leave the owner of that shop with a loss.

    Should have known this would turn into an ego flex and self-righteousness competition.
    I retract, all of my previous posts, you win. This is the shops fault and they should cover all of the cost. Go after them until you are satisfied with the outcome and I hope this works out in your favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zipdoa View Post
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    ...These things are the Fyre Festival of the automotive world...
    *Bentley has entered the chat*

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    On the plus side. At least we were all entertained by your $2,000(so far) boondoggle.

    Thanks for that.
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
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    *Bentley has entered the chat*
    That's just two Volkswagen 3.0 V6s put together, what could possibly be expensive or unreliable about that?

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    If it's Supercharged + Autobiography trim I'd put money into it.

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