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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket1k78 View Post
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    The mans been through enough lol I'm only assuming hes doing the road trip with his family so there's no need to make them suffer too because of his stupidity
    If your Land Rover hasn’t died with a car full of people somewhere with no cell reception have you truly experienced LR ownership?
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    British vehicles gonna British.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
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    Not just any Jaguar, the XF R. The R is for Reliable.
    Oddly, it's been dead reliable. It also only has 80k, so the best has yet to come.

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    My goal is to own an X308 or X350 XJR. Some day.
    (and the requisite beater Corolla to drive the other 51 weeks of the year).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
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    My goal is to own an X308 or X350 XJR. Some day.
    (and the requisite beater Corolla to drive the other 51 weeks of the year).
    LoL!!
    I've been making the joke for eons that Jaguars should be sold in pairs, thus giving you at least a full 3 months of consistent transportation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    LoL!!
    I've been making the joke for eons that Jaguars should be sold in pairs, thus giving you at least a full 3 months of consistent transportation.
    What Jag owner doesn’t have a Rover lying around for when it’s in the shop.
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    Oddly, it's been dead reliable. It also only has 80k, so the best has yet to come.
    Basically ready to head to the NE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    it's been dead
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
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    My goal is to own an X308 or X350 XJR. Some day.
    (and the requisite beater Corolla to drive the other 51 weeks of the year).
    My buddys dad had the X350 XJR back in Scotland...what a beast that was, and he drove it like he stole it

    Sold it before warranty ran out and it did stay in the town for a few years with the second owner

    Although that was when Jaguar was owned by Ford, so probably more reliable than now since it was basically a Ford Fusion with a bodykit

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
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    My goal is to own an X308 or X350 XJR. Some day.
    (and the requisite beater Corolla to drive the other 51 weeks of the year).
    Me too, just love those cars. I have actually heard the reliability isn't as bad as you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
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    My goal is to own an X308 or X350 XJR. Some day.
    (and the requisite beater Corolla to drive the other 51 weeks of the year).
    That's a pretty reasonable goal! I wouldn't do an X308. That was the era they were just *starting* to put it all together alongside Ford. They had still not ironed out all their typical Jaguar issues yet, but they were still better than Jaguars of yesteryear - in particular in the electrical department.

    The x350 is not a bad car at all, and still holds all that old-school Jaguar charm with the wood, etc. if you like that sort of thing. (I'm mixed. It feels more lux than the newer Jags, but it's pretty dated) They went with an aluminum body, which helped it a great deal. Of course, you get the typical expensive maintenance, but they had improved their quality significantly by then. From a reliability standpoint, I feel Jaguar's best years were the late 2000's when they were coming up with new design with Ford for the XF and the XJ but before Tata started getting their hands in there trying to make them cheaper and more mainstream. Even still, newer Jags are a far cry from the constant nightmares of the past and it's a shame they still have that rep. Haters gonna hate.

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    Ok, as my last entry into this saga, it is now resolved.

    Turns out that the ground the original shop installed was inadequate and had major resistance. This allowed some power through and the vehicle to turn over, but didn't allow all the computers to fire up to allow for operation. This explains all the ecu communication issues as well.

    I am going to speak to the first shop since they really shouldn't be charging for work that they don't do properly. This cost me thousands and they need to be aware why I will not be going back.

    As for the starter burning out conveniently at the first shop, I will continue to take everyone's advice and just let it go. There is no way to prove 100% they did anything wrong, as incredibly coincidental as the timing is.

    I know it's fun to rag on Land Rover and all, but in the end that really had nothing to do with anything. This was just simply a mechanic who needs more experience.
    Last edited by Kloubek; 08-24-2022 at 12:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    Ok, as my last entry into this saga, it is now resolved.

    Turns out that the ground the original shop installed was inadequate and had major resistance. This allowed some power through and the vehicle to turn over, but didn't allow all the computers to fire up to allow for operation. This explains all the ecu communication issues as well.

    I am going to speak to the first shop since they really shouldn't be charging for work that they don't do properly. This cost me thousands and they need to be aware why I will not be going back....
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    I think his only leg to stand on is the first shop breaking the ground and moving it to another location. If he could get the LR tech to testify that moving the ground to the new spot caused the damage to the electrical system it could work?

    Throw in some conductivity differences between the new location vs OEM location and maybe a judge sides with him?
    Glad to hear that its back working. I gotta say the LR references in other threads was super fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
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    #foreshadowing Page 6

    Yeah, you called it. I obviously considered it was the ground that was causing the issues since it was the only thing (besides the alternator) which was actually changed. But the mechanic was insistent the ground was tested as good, and really, how hard is it to do it properly? Pretty basic stuff.

    Glad to hear that its back working. I gotta say the LR references in other threads was super fun.
    Even I found them funny. Though clearly the humor got lost on me quickly in this actual thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    I know it's fun to rag on Land Rover and all, but in the end that really had nothing to do with anything. This was just simply a mechanic who needs more experience.
    Except that you can move a grounding location in pretty much every other car ever made (but not LR or Ferrari) and everything will still work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    Except that you can move a grounding location in pretty much every other car ever made (but not LR or Ferrari) and everything will still work...
    Let me say again, the Ohms were ridiculous. Which means either it wasn't making enough contact with the mounting location, or the cable used was inadequate for the load. Either way, no, it has nothing to do with LR but more about how electricity works.
    Last edited by Kloubek; 08-24-2022 at 02:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    Let me say again, the Ohms were ridiculous. Which means either it wasn't making enough contact with the mounting location, or the cable used was inadequate for the load. Either way, no, it has nothing to do with LR but more about how electricity works.
    Well, a poorly installed ground is a poorly installed ground.
    But don't put your head in the sand - LR electronics are extremely particular about the number of millivolts that they are fed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kloubek View Post
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    Even I found them funny. Though clearly the humor got lost on me quickly in this actual thread.
    It's all fun and games till something short circuits

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    Well, a poorly installed ground is a poorly installed ground.
    But don't put your head in the sand - LR electronics are extremely particular about the number of millivolts that they are fed.
    I'm not. LR electronics ARE super sensitive and can be a real pain.

    That wasn't the case here for sure though. The cable the 1st mechanic installed showed 12 megaOhms of resistance, whereas now that it is fixed, it's at 12.1 ohms. I'm pretty sure a ground that is allowing that low of electricity flow is going to be a problem in ANY vehicle. The fact it even turned over at the 1st shop is borderline astonishing.

    I would also like to state that my assessment (and the belief at TRS) that my alternator was toast turned out to be correct. Now that I'm running again, the alternator is quiet as a mouse with steady voltage supply. So at least the 1st shop installed that correctly.
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    I'm willing to bet the first tech misread or had the wrong setting on his multimeter.

    Just a guess.

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