Alberta Provincial Police study- For or against?

[DonJuan]

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It's bizarre to me how many people think there should be zero traffic enforcement until "all other crime is eliminated."

Lots of statistics show that crime is evenly distributed throughout the days of the week. There is no such thing as a slow crime day and high crime day; criminals have quotas and don't go on sprees.

[mr2mike]

But I can tell you that catalytic converter theft and car door checkers drop off in a snow storm and rain.

[suntan]

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But he definitely stole your heart.

[tirebob]

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It's bizarre to me how many people think there should be zero traffic enforcement until "all other crime is eliminated."

This is true, however when traffic enforcement is being used solely as a profit generator rather than a public safety concern is when it becomes an issue IMHO...

For example, if the road coppers gave more of a shit about public safety, they would identify higher danger areas and rather than hiding and ticketing they could install permanent placement photo radar with signs before those areas indicating that one is entering a high risk area and that if they speed through this section they will 100% get a photo radar ticket, people would always slow down in the danger areas and it would become safer, but instead that would cost a loss in revenue so they do not operate this way. They would rather be happy to keep the speeders encouraged to continue their criminal ways and profit from it.

[ExtraSlow]

I agree with that. My personal opinion is that the amount of traffic enforcement is about right. How those resources are deployed could be tweaked.

[mr2mike]

I think it's mistargeted.
Officers should target everything an Uber driver excels at.

[sexualbanana]

Alberta already has a provincial peace officer branch in the Sherrifs. I don't know what the formation of another provincial police agency is supposed to accomplish.

[ExtraSlow]

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Alberta already has a provincial peace officer branch in the Sherrifs. I don't know what the formation of another provincial police agency is supposed to accomplish.

Perfect, we can shut down RCMP today!

[sexualbanana]

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Perfect, we can shut down RCMP today!

Sure, if you want. My point is that the formation of a provincial police force isn't necessary because one already exists. Creating another one, or the threat of creating another one, is unnecessary other than to be a symbolic fuck you to the federal government - which I now is a popular stance in Alberta.

[Misterman]

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Kind of the point of "Highway Patrol"....

I would argue no. Highway Patrol main function is highway safety, not revenue collection.

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It's bizarre to me how many people think there should be zero traffic enforcement until "all other crime is eliminated."

I don't believe I've heard of anybody with that opinion. How many people have you seen say something like this?

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Sure, if you want. My point is that the formation of a provincial police force isn't necessary because one already exists. Creating another one, or the threat of creating another one, is unnecessary other than to be a symbolic fuck you to the federal government - which I now is a popular stance in Alberta.

Exactly, even more reasoning to abolish RCMP. We already have the major logistic hurdle jumped

[suntan]

Peace officers aren’t police. They’re fancy mall cops.

[e31]

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Sure, if you want. My point is that the formation of a provincial police force isn't necessary because one already exists. Creating another one, or the threat of creating another one, is unnecessary other than to be a symbolic fuck you to the federal government - which I now is a popular stance in Alberta.

I understand and sympathize with your position on the matter, however I'd still spend every last cent of your tax bill to see a nudge toward more self deterministic governance. The fact is that the RCMP is broken and it was never ours to fix.

[Darkane]

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Peace officers aren’t police. They’re fancy mall cops.

During the ft mac boom times, peace officers had full reign. They needed it.

Policing challenges in that city were difficult. You could be pulled over by a PO, Sheriff, rcmp, or fish cop at any given point.

[kertejud2]

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Sure, if you want. My point is that the formation of a provincial police force isn't necessary because one already exists. Creating another one, or the threat of creating another one, is unnecessary other than to be a symbolic fuck you to the federal government - which I now is a popular stance in Alberta.

It’s a silly one in this case. The feds don’t want to pay for things the provinces are willing to pay for entirely. Quebec doesn’t have its own provincial police force because they were trying to stick it to the feds and show how they can run things on their own. They have one because it predates the RCMP, just like Ontario and Newfoundland.

Alberta downloading costs and accepting more liability onto itself willingly isn’t the ‘fuck you’ people seem to think it is.

[gwill]

The desire for a provincial police force has more to do with people's perception of the rcmp than it is to stick it to the feds. If you lived a sheltered life or live in a main city your probably happy with the way things are. Anyone rural or with any dealings with the rcmp see the need for some change.

Theres more positives for a provincial police force than there are negatives.

[killramos]

It’s funny that everyone wants to defund the police until it becomes a topic about getting rid of the RCMP.

Then the lefties come out do the woodwork to say anything to keep them around.

[suntan]

Alberta did have its own police force. kert with the fail yet again. Sigh.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/history-rcmp

[kertejud2]

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It’s funny that everyone wants to defund the police until it becomes a topic about getting rid of the RCMP.

Then the lefties come out do the woodwork to say anything to keep them around.

There’s nothing ‘defunding the police’ about spending more on a provincial police force.

The arguments for a provincial police force are: “it’s worth spending more on this because…” and go from there.

[killramos]

Good ol’

“Repeat a lie over and over until…”

kert

Stick to your segregationist identity politics.

[kertejud2]

Lie?

They’ve explicitly stated this won’t save money. Even called the focus on how it wouldn’t save money ‘a red herring because the costs will increase anyway when the feds stop subsidizing the contracts.’

Add in replicating a layer of bureaucracy (training, admin, etc) that is currently covered by the feds the costs will always increase. People grasping to this idea this is a sovereignty move are living in their own little world, thinking the federal government doesn’t want the provinces to take on these costs like the two biggest ones already do. The fact that they’re using the same rough justifications for the AHS reshuffle to talk about increased service efficiencies and reduced bureaucracy makes the blind support of the plan so hilarious.

But it will make us like Quebec in one way: more government jobs. So a win there I guess.