Alberta Provincial Police study- For or against?

[kertejud2]

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Would existing rcmp jump ship to the Alberta police force & for the ability to have a stable place to live or would they stick with the rcmp during the transition as their moved out of Alberta to a new posting.

RCMP had to significantly increase their salaries ($20K bump retroactive to 2017) because municipalities and the OPP were poaching officers so regularly. If Alberta pays more, they'll get the officers.

[vengie]

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It's hard to believe she's the frontrunner. And everyone else kinda sucks too. How did we come to this? Do wingnuts really make up a majority in this province?

As discussed a zillion times in this thread most competent people don't want to or need to join politics. They are successful and make more in the private sector.

[zechs]

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Alberta being able to mimic what Quebec does is a pipe dream. Getting a APP force instated is not going to magically allow us to separate, as per Danielle Smith, or have any more sway in Ontario/Quebec's eyes.

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/ucp-lead...-act-1.5961202

The police enforce laws.

If they have a mandate to not enforce XX law, voila.

Whereas the RCMP can literally ignore the Alberta gov if it chooses.

There also is nothing stopping a hybrid model as rcmp are cheaper rurally, no debate required.

But even if it costs more, its worth it for the mandats to enforce certain laws.

[ThePenIsMightier]

The RCMP have a huge pile of fantastic members; but their organization (like as a business, from an Org Behaviour perspective) has massive, crippling, systemic issues that have been festering for decades and they need to get their dick slammed in a door to make them take a hard look in the mirror and cut their cancer out.

If booting them out of Alberta achieves that wake-up call, then I'm for it. But I'm not sure that's the door that their dick needs to be slammed in...

I think this space needs more competition and price discovery.

[ExtraSlow]

RCMP underpaying and under-retaining its employees, sorry, members, is not new, and the solution isn't Alberta supporting the RCMP.

[mr2mike]

Honestly, it's the laws that need reform.
Tough to enforce a catch, slap, release program.

I'm still of the belief that 90% of Canada's crime is generated by repeating offenders.

[killramos]

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Honestly, it's the laws that need reform.
Tough to enforce a catch, slap, release program.

I'm still of the belief that 90% of Canada's crime is generated by repeating offenders.

We have plenty of laws.

The problem is we don’t bother enforcing them to the fullest extent and with the goal of serving the greater public once we catch someone breaking them.

Instead we have this ass backward failed policy concept that the criminal justice system is meant to primarily serve criminals rather than society.

Basically the “Canadian Dream” is one where no one has any accountability for their actions. And that cancer permeates every fibre of our system.

[mr2mike]

Exactly. We're all concerned with criminal's rights.
Those should go out the window once you break laws and ruin someone else's rights.
Someone steals your bike and is caught without a doubt with it?
You get the option of chopping the guys hand off yourself for all to see at Olympic plaza or designating someone else to do the cut.

[ThePenIsMightier]

These are not police enforcement issues, though.
These are issues with the courts and the legal system.

[killramos]

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These are not police enforcement issues, though.
These are issues with the courts and the legal system.

Correct

That doesn’t mean the RCMP don’t suck tho

[suntan]

Killramos is just jealous he didn’t lead a life of crime.

[e31]

So we know that the RCMP is critically mismanaged and rife with political collusion at the highest levels. It only makes sense to sever as many ties as possible to Ottawa's rotting influence. If only we knew how they really talked about us behind closed doors... ("us" being civilians).

At least with a Provincial police force the directives would be set by local bureaucrats, their responsibility kept in check by nearby pitchforks should it be necessary.

[Shlade]

It would probably make more sense financially establishing a Provincial Police Force which worked side by side with the RCMP.

There is something like 1500+ Peace Officer's in the province you could utilize which includes Sheriff's and Fish and Wildlife members. Alberta has such a broken policing system in the province and that blame cant be fully put on the RCMP.

Yes, they are short staffed and most smaller detachment's run 2 members on a night shift or even day shift. The backlog in paperwork is insane and no proactive policing is able to be done due to it.

If this Province could figure out how to utilize the resources available in the Province already, we wouldn't need to fully get rid of the RCMP like they want to. Just my .02.

[ExtraSlow]

So the benefits are nullified?

[killramos]

More overlapping police forces seems like a misguided solution to the problem.

[mr2mike]

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Killramos is just jealous he didn’t lead a life of crime.

But he definitely stole your heart.

[Misterman]

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It would probably make more sense financially establishing a Provincial Police Force which worked side by side with the RCMP.

There is something like 1500+ Peace Officer's in the province you could utilize which includes Sheriff's and Fish and Wildlife members. Alberta has such a broken policing system in the province and that blame cant be fully put on the RCMP.

Yes, they are short staffed and most smaller detachment's run 2 members on a night shift or even day shift. The backlog in paperwork is insane and no proactive policing is able to be done due to it.

If this Province could figure out how to utilize the resources available in the Province already, we wouldn't need to fully get rid of the RCMP like they want to. Just my .02.

Yet they still have plenty of time to troll the highways for tint and speed fines.

[Shlade]

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Yet they still have plenty of time to troll the highways for tint and speed fines.

Kind of the point of "Highway Patrol"....

[ExtraSlow]

It's bizarre to me how many people think there should be zero traffic enforcement until "all other crime is eliminated."

[ThePenIsMightier]

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It's bizarre to me how many people think there should be zero traffic enforcement until "all other crime is eliminated."

So F ≠ ma ??!