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    Default Alberta Provincial Police study- For or against?

    With the study posted last year regarding a possible transition for Alberta creating their own Police Force and cutting ties with the RCMP with contract policing, are you for it or against it?

    I think everything will be dependent on the election next year. If UCP gets back in, I think they will push forward with this, along with the 2 year termination notice to Ottawa. However if NDP gets in, I feel they will kybosh it pretty quick.

    Either way, there are a few links (some very long 100 page reads) about the possible transition.

    https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...pNwU2AIa_VjpFs
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    I dont see how we could do a worse job than rcmp. I am for a provincial police force as long as it costs within +/-50% of what rcmp were charging for that service
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    i'd much rather an alberta pension fund, where the benefits are tangible to us, and we can see it hurt ottawa.

    The APP doesn't make sense to me.. more money, for the same service? pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    i'd much rather an alberta pension fund, where the benefits are tangible to us, and we can see it hurt ottawa.

    The APP doesn't make sense to me.. more money, for the same service? pass.
    This. It's just add tons of admin overheads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littledan View Post
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    I dont see how we could do a worse job than rcmp. I am for a provincial police force as long as it costs within +/-50% of what rcmp were charging for that service
    You would be in favour of an APP that costs up to 50% more than what we're paying for the RCMP? Wow.

    I mean the RCMP aren't perfect, but with the increasing amount of crime done online from overseas, and the increasing need for international cooperation, there's no way I could see Alberta start from scratch and have the same reach/impact that the RCMP have spent 100yrs building. Not only that, WITHIN Canada the remaining RCMP are going to completely snub whatever police force we come up with, and quite frankly, I don't need those kinds of politics standing in the way of finding some criminal in Montana who's soliciting Alberta child porn or finding someone in Russia who steals my identity or whatever.

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    wtf is the diff? Will I get less tickets on QE2?

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    You would be in favour of an APP that costs up to 50% more than what we're paying for the RCMP? Wow.

    I mean the RCMP aren't perfect, but with the increasing amount of crime done online from overseas, and the increasing need for international cooperation, there's no way I could see Alberta start from scratch and have the same reach/impact that the RCMP have spent 100yrs building. Not only that, WITHIN Canada the remaining RCMP are going to completely snub whatever police force we come up with, and quite frankly, I don't need those kinds of politics standing in the way of finding some criminal in Montana who's soliciting Alberta child porn or finding someone in Russia who steals my identity or whatever.
    I think this has more to do with inaction on rural crime than international scams. I think APP will perform better than RCMP but we will pay more for it.

    End of the day, much like Smith's sovereignty act, this APP idea was employed by Kenney to drive votes.

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    The less control Ottawa has over the west the better.

    I vote in favor

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    I see a lot of this happening:

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    We'll end up paying for both RCMP for federal jurisdiction and APP for provincial jurisdiction crimes, with both organizations not working well with one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
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    You would be in favour of an APP that costs up to 50% more than what we're paying for the RCMP? Wow.

    I mean the RCMP aren't perfect, but with the increasing amount of crime done online from overseas, and the increasing need for international cooperation, there's no way I could see Alberta start from scratch and have the same reach/impact that the RCMP have spent 100yrs building. Not only that, WITHIN Canada the remaining RCMP are going to completely snub whatever police force we come up with, and quite frankly, I don't need those kinds of politics standing in the way of finding some criminal in Montana who's soliciting Alberta child porn or finding someone in Russia who steals my identity or whatever.

    Yup, would 100% be ok paying 50% more even for same level of service. I think the insights coming out of the mass casualty commission show how broken the rcmp is as an organization. Look at the high river door kicks that nobody was ever held accountable for.

    Im sure there is more online crime, but the vast majority of crimes committed in alberta are real life, physical presence, robberies, b and e, assaults, murders. Those are the crimes that impact people for life and need to be dealt with.
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    Do city cops not work well with RCMP now? Do CP rail cops not work well with Tsu-Tina? Do Alberta sherrifa have this issue?

    Cops work with other cops already. That isn't something new that hasn't been done hundreds of times before.

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    Alberta being able to mimic what Quebec does is a pipe dream. Getting a APP force instated is not going to magically allow us to separate, as per Danielle Smith, or have any more sway in Ontario/Quebec's eyes.

    https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/ucp-lead...-act-1.5961202
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    Four questions to answer here.
    1) are the RCMP any good?
    2) are the RCMP good value?
    3) are there other benefits to having AB force?
    4) are there risks to having AB force?

    So far it seems like the answers are probably not, maybe, maybe, probably not.

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    I'd prefer an alberta police force assuming costs are within a certain range. With that said I'd be a moron to think the province could create a new force within reasonable timelines/cost

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    Quote Originally Posted by msommers View Post
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    Alberta being able to mimic what Quebec does is a pipe dream. Getting a APP force instated is not going to magically allow us to separate, as per Danielle Smith, or have any more sway in Ontario/Quebec's eyes.

    https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/ucp-lead...-act-1.5961202
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    Quote Originally Posted by msommers View Post
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    Alberta being able to mimic what Quebec does is a pipe dream. Getting a APP force instated is not going to magically allow us to separate, as per Danielle Smith, or have any more sway in Ontario/Quebec's eyes.

    https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/ucp-lead...-act-1.5961202
    Why is it a pipe dream? Quebec can only do what they do literally because of Alberta’s wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    Why is it a pipe dream? Quebec can only do what they do literally because of Alberta’s wealth.

    I hear a lot about why alberta can't follow in the foot steps but haven't seen anything concrete as to why. Just a few lazy reporters claiming it won't work.

    I'd like the first law alberta enacts to remove French as our second language. All services must be rendered in English only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill View Post
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    I hear a lot about why alberta can't follow in the foot steps but haven't seen anything concrete as to why. Just a few lazy reporters claiming it won't work.

    I'd like the first law alberta enacts to remove French as our second language. All services must be rendered in English only.
    We don’t have enough parliamentary seats

    I’d try the APP over the RCMP. The RCMP are the suck.

    Though much more important would be putting and keeping way more people in prison.
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    I think trying out a new police force is worth trying. I'd be curious to hear from non govt people on how feasible or likely is it.

    Would existing rcmp jump ship to the Alberta police force & for the ability to have a stable place to live or would they stick with the rcmp during the transition as their moved out of Alberta to a new posting.

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    Whether this would cheaper or more expensive in the long run is debatable. I certainly don't trust any government to accomplish anything with fiscal responsibility in mind. However, once things are up and running, there should be a lot less bureaucracy in a smaller provincial outfit vs a giant federal one. And I like the idea of Officers that feel beholden to Alberta because it is their home vs a bunch of prick RCMP cunts that got forcibly relocated from wherever their home was, and now use their position of authority to take out their internal rage on the general population. Wages for officers would be commensurate with Alberta living expenses, meaning we can attract higher quality candidates from the recruiting process than RCMP can, and being paid a fair wage and benefits tends to mean happier employees. Happier Officers that actually have a sense of value in their own community are much more likely to produce better results. Anecdotally this certainly seems to be the case for anyone who has dealt with both EPS/CPS vs RCMP.

    In the end, the main importance is that we drive the biggest wedge we can between Alberta and Ottawa, and I feel like APP is one way to do that. And it would make our threats of sovereignty that much more serious. So for those reasons alone, I'm in full support.

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    I think trying out a new police force is worth trying. I'd be curious to hear from non govt people on how feasible or likely is it.

    Would existing rcmp jump ship to the Alberta police force & for the ability to have a stable place to live or would they stick with the rcmp during the transition as their moved out of Alberta to a new posting.
    There's literally no reason to be part of RCMP aside from the pension(And having a small dick and inferiority complex that gives you great desire to carry a gun), So it's hard to imagine many RCMP jumping ship to APP.

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