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    Another good reason to keep our 2013 C63 AMG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkane View Post
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    Accurate.

    Was price mentioned? Will this be a 140k C?
    I could see it being $140,000 for sure.

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    im going to go the other way, i dont think it will hit 140 unless there are crazy carbon options or something.

    its a 4 banger with some batteries and a funky turbo

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    It will not be any cheaper than the previous C63.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    the discussion of performance is largely pointless nowadays.
    If straight line, especially 0-60, is all someone cares about... agreed.

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    wonder how many times you can go down the drag strip before the 200hp electric hp stop working haha hope someone makes a vid. i bet within 50km of autobahn i can drop it down to 480hp ez pz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    im going to go the other way, i dont think it will hit 140 unless there are crazy carbon options or something.

    its a 4 banger with some batteries and a funky turbo
    This is a scenario where 1+1 will equal 3.5 imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyD View Post
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    I think you owe it to Mercedes to follow through on this seeing they built it just for you. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has seen over and over on car forums where people claim that they will buy it if the automaker makes it only for nobody to follow through when they finally make it.
    Their problem they nuked the C63 Cabriolet. Guess there's still hope if they decide to offer this drivetrain in the CLE Cabriolet.

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    Seems like a great car for someone who really wants a Tesla but doesn’t want a Tesla.
    Great description of what it is. Basically a more expensive Tesla Model 3, better quality, more luxurious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bart View Post
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    wonder how many times you can go down the drag strip before the 200hp electric hp stop working haha hope someone makes a vid. i bet within 50km of autobahn i can drop it down to 480hp ez pz.
    It'll take less than 50km of WOT to drop it down to 480hp engine only. At the size of the battery, it'd drain in under 7 minutes pumping out 90hp if my math is right. Since accessories rely on the battery, it won't let it drop that much, the engine will run in a recharge mode to keep the battery topped up, so it'd run down to probably 400hp once shit's depleted.

    But that's not what performance hybrids are designed to do. F1 cars have the exact same problem at tracks like Monza with massive straights and can't recuperate enough energy. Even on shorter tracks with decent straights, it'll clip at the end losing hp and speed at the tail end of the straight. You want an autobahn ripper, get a gas car. Nothing comes close.

    Drag strip would be fine, short run, flip the car in recharge mode, battery replenishes quickly for next run, lots of cool down time. The battery is designed to charge/discharge quickly. My suspicion on the 10 sec "burst" is for battery temperature management. Will be interesting to see how long it takes to have another burst.
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    What I don't understand is how this car is any "greener" than the one it replaces. I'm no physicist, but a car weighing 800lbs more than it's predecessor is going to need substantially more energy to move it. And with 8 miles of electric range, that energy sure isn't coming from a renewable source. What am I missing here?

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    Don't let math and physics get in the way brother. If it's a hybrid, it's green, end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimi View Post
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    What I don't understand is how this car is any "greener" than the one it replaces. I'm no physicist, but a car weighing 800lbs more than it's predecessor is going to need substantially more energy to move it. And with 8 miles of electric range, that energy sure isn't coming from a renewable source. What am I missing here?
    It's more efficient by recuperating braking energy. The bigger the electric motor, the more energy it can recover under braking. The energy recovered exceeds the amount of additional energy required to propel the excess weight, so it's overall more efficient. It's literally the basic principal of why hybrids are more efficient. It's more "green" because it's cuts down on emissions by splitting the power between the recovered electrical energy and ICE. More so in city driving with lots of braking, less so on highway constant speed cruising.

    As a comparison just because we own one, our 4th Gen Sienna gained about 500lbs fitted with hybrid components compared to the 3rd Gen gas only. It has 1/2 the energy recovery capabilities than the C63. It doubled fuel economy in the city.
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    post Sienna trap time

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimi View Post
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    What I don't understand is how this car is any "greener" than the one it replaces. I'm no physicist, but a car weighing 800lbs more than it's predecessor is going to need substantially more energy to move it. And with 8 miles of electric range, that energy sure isn't coming from a renewable source. What am I missing here?
    A lot

    Rage covered it. That being said, you can then go down the rabbit hole of the overall carbon footprint of battery production, end of life disposal and stuff like that, at which point the "green-ness" becomes highly questionable. People have proven they don't give a shit about the holistic impact though.

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    It looks nicer (and probably quicker) than the new M3 ...

    But ~ $150K + luxury tax on top of tax ..push it toward 170-180K mark ...

    Ouch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4S View Post
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    It looks nicer (and probably quicker) than the new M3 ...

    But ~ $150K + luxury tax on top of tax ..push it toward 170-180K mark ...

    Ouch!
    I can't see it. If a C43 get moved up to $90K, this is probably $120+carbon bits options.

    Still probably $130-$140K OTD after all the taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    I can't see it. If a C43 get moved up to $90K, this is probably $120+carbon bits options.

    Still probably $130-$140K OTD after all the taxes.
    That’s what C&D is estimating. Roughly same base price as an E53 Cab.
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    These astronomical prices just ain't right.

    Everyone who finances and leases cars for 8 years, this is your fault. Poor assess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    I can't see it. If a C43 get moved up to $90K, this is probably $120+carbon bits options.

    Still probably $130-$140K OTD after all the taxes.
    I guess depends on options/leather/colour ... a loaded M3 today is $140k+ So, this will be at least $150K loaded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4S View Post
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    It looks nicer (and probably quicker) than the new M3 ...

    But ~ $150K + luxury tax on top of tax ..push it toward 170-180K mark ...

    Ouch!
    The buck tooth m3/4 is not a high bar to beat in the looks department. The M2 is the real BMW to own now.

    I am not a Benz fan but this thing is dead sexy. Good job Benz

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