Lamborghini’s future cars

[rage2]

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I was talking both. The refrigeration is complex and horrible while the compression requires heavy-walled pressure vessels that are worse than CNG. And so bomby.

Ya, not saying it’s easy just saying it’s still an easier path than miracle battery.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Ya, not saying it’s easy just saying it’s still an easier path than miracle battery.

Yep, I might be with you, there.

The carbon intensity of SynFuels is confusing because of the lack of consistent terms (nomenclature) being used. "eFuels" and others mean very different things and it's not properly established yet. There's a huge difference between Fisher-Tropsch diesel made from gasified coal and some crazy shit made from gasified biomass and hydro-treated from nuclear fed electrolysis, etc.

But you can produce synthetic diesel today that is far far cleaner (and has a lower CI#) than anything conventional and make money selling it somewhere around $1/L rack price. Today's diesel was $1.388 rack price in Edmonton.

[ExtraSlow]

I would for sure enjoy someone creating a synthetic fuels mega thread.

[bjstare]

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That said, I think both these development paths are more clear than the miracle battery.

I would guess there's more effort (i.e., money) going towards developing the miracle battery though, no? Perhaps enough to offset the less-clear development path?

Idk, sounds like you guys both know more than I do about syn fuels. I had no idea they were on the path to becoming commercially viable, I just thought it was still in the POC category (and likely to stay there).

[rage2]

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I would guess there's more effort (i.e., money) going towards developing the miracle battery though, no? Perhaps enough to offset the less-clear development path?

There's a ton of money going into it, lots of startups jumping in because it's a lot of free investor money to fuck around with. It's been 10 years and nothing really viable has come close. Solid state batteries is the closest, but even then their weight and energy density is nowhere near what was promised, and really just a marginal jump from where we're at with lithium ion batteries. It's just not making the leaps that's needed.

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Idk, sounds like you guys both know more than I do about syn fuels. I had no idea they were on the path to becoming commercially viable, I just thought it was still in the POC category (and likely to stay there).

Commercially viable, not sure about that just yet. F1 is working on it with several fuel suppliers, the target is to use it in 2026 with the new F1 engines. The biggest challenge right now is having the same energy density as gasoline, but they're improving at a rate that it should be met by 2026. So there will be a usable product that's equivalent to gasoline at that point, and the remaining challenge is manufacturing costs which is a much easier problem to solve.

[ThePenIsMightier]

"Commercially viable" is getting a new meaning as we tax the shit out of current liquid fuels until they're so much less commercially viable that SynFuels are suddenly right there.

[Kloubek]

Governments are pushing for cleaner vehicles, and for now, electric is the best solution to that. In the meantime, we see hybrid vehicles which are a good stop-gap but when the governments tighten their restrictions even further they will no longer be viable. Yet, the tech nor infrastructure is quite ready yet for widespread electric vehicle adoption. So this is absolutely a transition period in transportation.

I think Rage said something similar: It will be a race between battery technology and another technology which doesn't produce emissions, such as hydrogen. In any event, the path forward excludes ICE engines in any capacity.

[Buster]

I dont care what energy will be used in the future, since cars aren't getting any more interesting either way.

[Xtrema]

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You’re talking liquid hydrogen. Toyotas been racing a compressed hydrogen ICE car which is easier for storage than liquid. It’s still early days but synfuels has its challenges too, namely how energy intensive it is to manufacture. That said, I think both these development paths are more clear than the miracle battery.

They will be as popular in tunnels and underground garages as LPG.

Hydrogen ICE won't happen with cars. Planes... may be, until another Hindenburg happens.

[DonJuan]

I agree. While hybrid supercars like the Countach LPI etc are excellent engineering exercises it really not what the future wants. Its the last hurrah before some other technology takes over. Electric seems to be the way.

It's kind of like the manual transmission analogy.
Where conventional manuals in modern cars are actually slower in performance driving than modern automatics and SMG etc (a hybrid of manual and automatic in terms of use).
Do I still want a manual in my track car? Yes
Do I want a manual in my daily? No
Does my wife want a manual in the family SUV? Also Yes (she's weird AF)

My point is I'd drive an electric or hybrid daily without question. But on summer weekends a N/A V12 or a air-cooled turbo is what this dinosaur wants.

[ExtraSlow]

Wife wanting a manual, I approve.

[g-m]

I'm with Buster. The new cars are super boring. Full electric cars couldn't be more boring in fact. An automatic silent appliance almost as fun as an electric scooter

[Xtrema]

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An automatic silent appliance almost as fun as an electric scooter

What, you are not excited a potential working self driving car with fleshlight integration?

[vengie]

Bring on the cars with SMR's.

[ExtraSlow]

Electric scoots are more exciting.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Bring on the cars with SMR's.

Pet Peeve: an SMR is a Steam Methane Reformer, period. Team Nuke need to pick different letters...

[ExtraSlow]

WFR. Wicked fast reactor.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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WFR. Wicked fast reactor.

Spoken from a #VerifiedUser with a #BlueCheque.
This is now The Gospel

[gmc72]

C'mon. We all know what the future of transportation looks like.

This

[rage2]

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"Commercially viable" is getting a new meaning as we tax the shit out of current liquid fuels until they're so much less commercially viable that SynFuels are suddenly right there.

One of the biggest drawback is how energy wasteful the whole process is. Sure, the convenience of keeping all our cars running is great, but when it costs an absurd amount of energy to create AND run on an ICE that's at best today 50% efficient using every hybrid tech thrown at it (Merc's F1 engine is 52% efficient), it's literally burning energy needlessly for the sake of carbon neutrality. I mean, if we have unlimited green energy, that's not that big of a deal, but we aren't there yet.

But, we can go vroom vroom. That's worth it haha.