You're right, these tires are no good on ice, guy's just completely out of control sideways
The fact is, good tires allow you to have the control and confidence to do this, so yes it is a good demonstration of a tire's ability.
You're right, these tires are no good on ice, guy's just completely out of control sideways
The fact is, good tires allow you to have the control and confidence to do this, so yes it is a good demonstration of a tire's ability.
You mean that person who is racing?
and yet he would still give his left nut for better tires that dont slip in those conditions. and someone with said tires that dont slip would win every race by a huge margin.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Instead he is making do with the best he has available, that doesn't make them perfect.
pretty bad example
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If you think I have been trying to present myself as intellectually superior, then you truly are a dimwit.
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For "magic" tires, yes. Better might not be the ideal word choice, here.
Is there any other way to drive in winter?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Ha! Yeah, I'm feeling lazy to type out my convoluted argument but I feel similar to what Killy said.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I feel that you are correct, but you are correct about something that doesn't make me incorrect.
That hurts my head.
Seriously, you are.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
A tire's job is to literally do such a thing for maximum performance.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
https://physics.stackexchange.com/qu...iding-slightly
When talking loose surfaces where static friction is greatly diminished, even more so because the mechanical force generated by the tire interacting with the surface sideways is greater then just static friction on its own.
Love the goal post moving though, from TPiM "The best advertisements for tires are those which show them failing" to Killramos "Instead he is making do with the best he has available, that doesn't make them perfect" which nobody actually argued initially. But literally, as the concept of a tire entails, they are effectively perfect, with the only limitation in that specific scenario shown being a mandatory maximum studs. Even with maximum theoretical studs, they are faster sideways then not. A rubber tire, on a smooth surface, is faster sliding then perfectly static.
You're both wrong. Just wrong.
Sentry, don't be a bitch and agree with these retards just because you want to get along with the Beyond crew. You're embarrassing yourself. TPiM's argument isn't convoluted, it's just straight wrong, and Killramos goalpost moving is just his typical BS.
And back to lurking. I was doing so well!
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FIGHT! FIGHT! FiGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
Tap, Rack, BANG!
Not today, Satan.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Without peaking into the ignored post, I'm guessing it's at least two of the four following things
1.) A misplaced argument about instantaneous centres.
2.) Needlessly inflammatory.
3.) Some sort of EIT bullshit about kinetic coefficient of friction.
4.) Total lack of comprehension of the "argument" in the first place.
This was tire I was leaning towards, don't do much offroad other than a little crown land camping here and thereThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
one of my customers asked for my cheapest AT tires so sold him a set of Federals after explaining the difference between AT's and winters etc. Needless to say he came back a month later complaining that they sucked in the deep snow and wanting a refund on them
I change to my KO2s fairly late into winter, and early in the spring. I like them for heavy wet snow, which we generally only get in the shoulder seasons. Rest of the winter the studded nokians are perfect. Setup works for me.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Just thought I would bump this as for the first time in a lot of years I have switch out of the Duratrac into a new tire just to give something else a go for a change, namely the Toyo Open Country ATIII. I have a lot of clients on these and they seem universally well liked so I am giving them a shot. First impressions are really good! Super smooth and quiet and traction on 2wd driving around in the snow we have been having recently is absolutely decent for an AT type tire. Obviously it is super early to give a completely rounded view and seeing how things are with a bit of wear, but as it sits now I am certainly pleased!
Super glad for this review, intending to ring you up for a set of them.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
are you running the P-rated or the LT 10 ply?
My truck is a Chev Trailboss 1500 so definitely the standard load. LT 10 ply is entirely unneeded for these.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The Duratracs that came on it were LRC 6 ply being the trailboss but I really prefer the standard load. Surprisingly the standard load has a higher load index than the LRC/6... Super weird. The P rated is a 116 rating (2756 lb per tire) and the LT LRC/6 is only a 113 (2535 lb per tire) but the LRC has a max pressure of 50psi and the standard P rated is only 44psi.
Goofy...
I've learnt that atop of the right tire for the terrain, the load rating as mentioned is so important to ride quality, road contact and lastly fuel economy.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
the best on-road winter tire was my Nokian R3 at 116 and the best A/T in winter I've used was the Nokian Rotiiva (prior to the latest offering).
both had amazing traction, drivability, road comfort, etc... but likely at the expense of durability. but nothing gave me more confidance on the road.
I have a couple of trucks in inventory now with some Nitto something all terrains and they are fucking awful in snow and ice. Both are 22” wheels as well which sucks.
I've seen some negative reviews for Open Countries with lighter trucks like Tacomas. Does that make sense?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You will see negative reviews on every tire because everybody has different expectations, environments, driving styles, preferences and so forth. Generally I tell people make negative reviews not because a product is bad, but more because it was not the appropriate product for their personal use and driving needs. That is the fault of a sales person not asking the right questions or knowing their products and applying that knowledge correctly. The consumer only knows it didn't meet their expectations rather than the actual reasons why it didn't meet their expectations, so they just say "bad", and that really is unfair tom the tire itself.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
When that Toyo came out it got a lot of good press so you get guys going away from more aggressive tires to try it and it is not quite as aggressive, so maybe that guy was disappointed, but for the guy who is lots of highway without serious hardcore off-roading, they may love it.
My point being is it all depends. I rarely get people come back complaining about anything I have sold them, not matter what the tire is, and that is because I try and assess their needs properly before making recommendations. The only real times I get complaints is from those people who don't listen and go by and believe all the online reviews without questioning things. I mean sometimes even the tire that is hatred by most is the absolute perfect tire for someone else's needs.