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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkane View Post
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    Some light reading. The question at the very end is sort of what we’re talking about here.

    https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/d...owingGuide.pdf

    And in terms of rough marths and numbers:

    F150 family spec max ~1700 payload
    F250 ~ 2600
    F350 ~ 3400

    Those number based on the slip in camper weights allowed.
    Iirc slip in camper weights have a reduction calculation due to the amount usually hanging over the back of the truck, so the weight ratings for campers are reduced over full payload slightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redline View Post
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    3/4 tons sux most don’t have much better payloads then half tons , if you are going there just get a one ton.
    Yup. Look at the 2500 vs 2500 HD in the Chevy trucks..

    2500HD:
    - Much heavier frame
    - More engine options (Big block, diesel)
    - More trans options (Especially ZF 6spd manual or Allison 5spd auto)
    - Full Floating rear axle to handle heavy loads in the box or heavy tows
    - Payload 3,554 lbs
    - Tow 12,000 lbs hitch, 15,400 on 5th
    - Harsher ride empty

    2500LD:
    - Frame inbetween 1500 and 2500HD
    - Can only get the Vortec 6.0 V8 and 4spd 4L80E auto
    - Semi Floating rear axle, limits to box load and tow load
    - Payload 3,076 lbs
    - Tow 10,200 lbs hitch or 5th
    - Harsher ride empty than 1500, better empty ride than 2500HD or 3500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firebane View Post
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    Yup. Look at the 2500 vs 2500 HD in the Chevy trucks..
    I guess it’s in the 5/8 ton truck class. Good for the 3/4 of a horse you need to haul or 2 donkeys as long as one identifies as female. This is the target demographic GM was pursuing here.
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    I Remeber the F150 7700 package. Back in the jellybean years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    Now OP is hauling a dead horse?

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    2011+ GMC/Chevrolet 2500HD crew cab with 6.0L and 4.10 rear gears

    Or Suburban/Yukon XL if you need the dog inside (will ride much better as they are on coil springs in the rear). I think 2008-2010 can be had in 3/4 ton model, no idea if those are coil or spring rear

    Unless you are towing all the time (>25% of your mileage), your diesel vs gas will be a wash with the cost of fuel vs the mpg savings vs buy-in cost. We recently sold a 2014 denali duramax with 375k kms for $26k.

    The 2011+ trucks have superior ride to the 2008-2010 trucks. 2001-2007 trucks are the most comfortable, but are dated and only have 4 speeds. The 6 speed really helps with the gasser.

    Ultimately, the 6.0L needs a cam, and you need to remove leaf springs/overload springs from the spring pack on the 3/4 tons to soften the ride and install airbags to get your leveling back.

    Those two things plus a tune are probably $2500-$3k total having a shop do it.

    Longer wheelbase is more important for towing. Being longer typically means more weight as an added bonus. So while a 1/2 suburban is only rated for 8k lbs, I'd rather tow with it vs a shortbox crewcab 1/2 ton truck.

    2014+ 2500hd denali/ltz gas 6.0L with a cam, tune, and the rear suspension work done is a very nice truck.

    If you are ok with something older, any 2001-2007 3/4 ton crew cab/suburban/yukon xl with 6.0L, 706 heads, torque cam, tune and max tow package will be better at towing and ride better/be more comfy even without the rear suspension work. They are just dated looking and don't have the amenities (backup camera, touch screen, etc).

    And finally, 6.0L with 4.10's towing 12k lb of enclosed two car trailer was about 25L/100km hand calculated towing in 3rd at 105km/h. That's 9.4usmpg. My diesel would get about 13usmpg towing the same thing.

    Oh, quick note about duramaxes; run away from LML powered trucks (2011-2016). Between the cp4 and headgaskets, never again.

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    Are the 2018 5.3 any good or does the cylinder deact. Still fuck them up? Considering selling off my 21 lariat and slumming it in a silverado 1500 for a year or two. Cant get the 2500 cause I have a poverty garage length.

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    I think the pre 2019’s systems are easily defeated
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    Quote Originally Posted by littledan View Post
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    Are the 2018 5.3 any good or does the cylinder deact. Still fuck them up? Considering selling off my 21 lariat and slumming it in a silverado 1500 for a year or two. Cant get the 2500 cause I have a poverty garage length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redline View Post
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    That 5.3 is a terrible engine … if going gmc baby dura or 6.2
    that's a weird take. babymax needs an pricey service to do timing belt; 6.2 well known for lifter issues.

    is the 5.3 really that much worse?

    I'd choose the 6.2 tho, so... I agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prae View Post
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    that's a weird take. babymax needs an pricey service to do timing belt; 6.2 well known for lifter issues.

    is the 5.3 really that much worse?

    I'd choose the 6.2 tho, so... I agree?
    5.3L is really cool. Infact it’s one of my favourite LT series.

    One secret about that engine is - a factory tune capable of 380 hp, and 416tq.

    GM factory tuned the thing to run E85.

    Edit: Linky

    https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/13...olid-baseline/
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    5.3 ecotec3 is far from terrible.

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    There is no practical difference between the 5.3 and 6.2 aside from displacement.

    Consider most people consider the 6.2 to be overkill, I’d say the 5.3 fills a useful spot in a world where people are putting 4 bangers in trucks.
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    Ok, to clarify things further:

    -needs to be able to pull up to 2 horses at a time...so I guess that means 3/4 ton and up. What is this...2500 and F250 and up? What's the Dodge equivalent?
    -won't be daily driven, scrub all the past requirements for fitting family etc. It'll be much simpler to daily drive the ol' X3 around.

    Thanks guys, this thread is delivering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTS Jeff View Post
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    needs to be able to pull up to 2 horses at a time...so I guess that means 3/4 ton and up. What is this...2500 and F250 and up? What's the Dodge equivalent?
    -won't be daily driven, scrub all the past requirements for fitting family etc. It'll be much simpler to daily drive the ol' X3 around.
    Yes, 3/4ton is 2500, F250 etc, the dodge is the same as GM, 2500 badging...as we mentioned further up, when it comes into that segment, there's no downside for Alberta registered vehicles going up to the 1 ton 3500/F350 units because they can be registered as regular passenger vehicles, it just comes down to your payload and towing options

    I know you said its not going to need to haul family, but do you still need/want a crew/quad cab and 4x4? Obviously regular cab, RWD trucks have the most payload capacity but only sitting 2/3 people might still be useless for you


    The way I'm looking at things right now is that if I was to get a tow vehicle, I'd get a 1 ton because even though my trailer is about 4000lbs, i'm never going to upgrade past something that can't be pulled by a 3500 so it'll be future proof it to an extent, until Trudeau gets another term and bans gasoline or diesel fuel

    The dream is of course a King Ranch Ford F450 Diesel I do have a semi for duallies

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    If you can find a not-beat-to-shit 2wd regular cab that'll be your best value, but it's guaranteed to have been a commercial truck not driven by the owner, so 96.4% of them are destroyed before they are 4 years old.

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    So difficult to find value in used trucks.
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    The trick to older high mileage trucks is to just not buy a dodge

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercchry View Post
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    The trick to older high mileage trucks is to just not buy a dodge
    It’s weird that trick also works for new trucks
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    Dodge dealers don't want you to know this hack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Dodge dealers don't want you to know this hack.
    You guys are delusional if you think all 3 domestic brand trucks aren’t trash. Just pick the one that tickles your gonads best and be ready to drop your pants / bend over at any moment.

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