Who are you voting for: 2023 AB Provincial Election

[msommers]

Every party can say what they'll do, especially ones not in power. But if they have no vision to complete it, no budget to complete it, no expertise to implement it, it's all talking points of bullshit.

In other words, "this is how we want you to feel with no basis to our claims." Fuck I hate elections.

[Buster]

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Here's a better idea. The core platform items of the NDP and the UCP, and people can guess which ones fit the bill of "You could hardly design a better platform to punish free enterprise, a resource based economy and the successful people within your economy" and which ones are for the other party.

Support and grow our energy industry
Reduce your cost of living
Union Charitable Donations
Mental Health
Investing in Tourism
Alberta Job Growth and Diversification Strategy
Grow our economy and create jobs
Rebuild our education system
Education and Career Training
Improving Healthcare for Women and Children
Public Health Care Guarantee
If you need a doctor, you will get a doctor
Lowest corporate taxes in Canada
Tax Cuts for all Albertans
Lowest personal taxes in Canada, no sales tax
Eliminate small business tax for 100,000 businesses
Honest, stable leadership
Safe Streets Action Plan
Compassionate Intervention
Cut electricity rates
Cap your insurance costs
Community Rec Centres
Savings For Seniors

And calling things cringe is hella cringe, bruh. So 2013.

Let's rephrase. What legislation has the Alberta branch of the NDP said they will implement.

Let's ignore the platitudes that comprise most of your list.

[Thaco]

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I mean it's a sure bet the NDP would put in a sales tax.

good, let the freeloader tourists subsidise our taxes.

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Let's rephrase. What legislation has the Alberta branch of the NDP said they will implement.

Let's ignore the platitudes that comprise most of your list.

"Answer my question"

*oh shit, he answered my question*

"answer a different question"

[ThePenIsMightier]

What "interchange at Scotford"??

LoL that the two words "mental health" can be construed as a platform!
As I said in a meeting last week, "yes, those are words... Why are you saying those words and what is your stance pertaining to them?"

[kertejud2]

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What "interchange at Scotford"??

One for here to eliminate the lights and the level crossing at the rail tracks.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7641...8192?entry=ttu

[pheoxs]

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Let's rephrase. What legislation has the Alberta branch of the NDP said they will implement.

Let's ignore the platitudes that comprise most of your list.

Reduce the small business tax to 0 helps nearly everyone self employed and many small trades / restaurants businesses grow.

Raising the corporate tax back to 11% will help stabilize our budget and still be the lowest in Canada. Plenty of massive corporations manage to find millions for share buybacks and business in AB was just fine in the past when it was at that level.

Those are two I agree with as it’s a good balance of encouraging smaller businesses to grow while also reigning in future deficits by making large companies pay their fair share on their profits.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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One for here to eliminate the lights and the level crossing at the rail tracks.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7641...8192?entry=ttu

Right at the Josephberg intersection? WtF?!! Which party is promoting this?
They built both Upgraders and have accomplished more than a dozen turnarounds combined with the traffic from that stupid-ass NWR plant (that is scheduled to achieve payback about a decade after its design life and all Alberta taxpayers are on the hook for) so why the fuck would they build a monstrosity there, now?!

[suntan]

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Reduce the small business tax to 0 helps nearly everyone self employed and many small trades / restaurants businesses grow.

Raising the corporate tax back to 11% will help stabilize our budget and still be the lowest in Canada. Plenty of massive corporations manage to find millions for share buybacks and business in AB was just fine in the past when it was at that level.

Those are two I agree with as it’s a good balance of encouraging smaller businesses to grow while also reigning in future deficits by making large companies pay their fair share on their profits.

The small business tax rate is 2%. It’s not really relevant for self employed anyhow.

[dimi]

Sad state of affairs really. This should have been a landslide win for ucp, and would have been with anyone but DS, including JK. You have everything going for this province and yet somehow it seems like you’re about to piss it all away. Taking seats away from Calgary to form her “rural caucus” now slithering back to Calgary to buy votes, endless vaccines discussions and madness, some lunatic pastor phone calls. Nobody gives a shit about any of that.

[Brent.ff]

For a guy who’s been saying he’s moving to the states for pretty much forever, he sure loves local politics.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Sad state of affairs really. This should have been a landslide win for ucp, and would have been with anyone but DS, including JK. You have everything going for this province and yet somehow it seems like you’re about to piss it all away. Taking seats away from Calgary to form her “rural caucus” now slithering back to Calgary to buy votes, endless vaccines discussions and madness, some lunatic pastor phone calls. Nobody gives a shit about any of that.

I think this is a very valid point. Their immature ejection of Kenney was a very poor move. I'm generally a supporter and it absolutely enraged me to the point that I'm highly likely to not vote for them.
BooHoo that Kenney didn't let you bob for apples and have docking parties at your lunatic churches during CoVid. Suck a fat cock you fucking nutcase, wife beating, closeted faggots!!!
What the fuck is wrong with you?!!? Why are you arming The Left with your ludicrous nonsense instead of shutting your whore mouths and soaking up the gravy??!?
Fucking regards.

[Buster]

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Reduce the small business tax to 0 helps nearly everyone self employed and many small trades / restaurants businesses grow.

Raising the corporate tax back to 11% will help stabilize our budget and still be the lowest in Canada. Plenty of massive corporations manage to find millions for share buybacks and business in AB was just fine in the past when it was at that level.

Those are two I agree with as it’s a good balance of encouraging smaller businesses to grow while also reigning in future deficits by making large companies pay their fair share on their profits.

It's a terrible idea. Governments should minimize wealth transfers of this type. Governments should resist the urge to influence capital allocation, because they are bad at it.

[tonytiger55]

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I don't understand why you're saying "literally same party". They can't be, can they? They have their own funding. Irregardless, they continue to act fairly differently and that's my key issue.

What current policies are concerning you? To me, her policies seem too vague to really mean anything. "We will fix healthcare" and other airy fairy bullshit.


*Weird - I just looked it up. You're correct in that they are called "the Alberta affiliate of the Federal NDP party".
That's really fuckin weird! Do many other people know this?!?

Yep. If you vote NDP, you are essentially getting Jagmeet and Trudeau into Alberta via the backdoor. Thats why they are throwing everything so hard at Alberta.

[littledan]

That is so greasy to have the federal liberals and ndp interfering in ab. We need to get them out of canada and if we cant even get them out of ab we are fucked.

[killramos]

What do share buybacks have to do with tax rates?

[zechs]

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I'm trying to remember the realistic things that Rachel did wrong

I dunno, maybe the $2bil in Purchase Power Agreements that we got stuck footing the bill for? And double to triple electricity costs?

That's an easy one to remember, if you aren't a braindead fucking moron.

As for taxes, gov should not be in the business of picking winners and losers, it's market manipulation in the shittiest way possible. But fucking retards like pheoxs think it's a good thing, probably also thinks gov funded research is fucking brilliant.

Back to lurking, the discourse on Beyond has really gone downhill

[Buster]

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What do share buybacks have to do with tax rates?

"if you can afford to buy back shares, you can afford to pay higher taxes!"

[killramos]

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"if you can afford to buy back shares, you can afford to pay higher taxes!"

smrt

[Buster]

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smrt

most people are simple folk who just go to work and come home. Understanding the second order effects of their breakthrough economic "ideas" is not really part of their game.

[max_boost]

buster, we need your blue print/how to if/when you move don't leave us behind but then maybe you still post on beyond but not from calgary