Reality check for the future of energy

[89coupe]

I love this video

[vengie]

Why do you hate polar bears?

[JRSC00LUDE]

Baseless right wing racist propaganda.
-thacoma

[ZenOps]

I dunno, this is the sort of guy who might be thinking that 2 million pounds of fuel to go 250 miles up is/was a good idea to start with.

Some Chinese dude is working on delivering a pizza and coke with 1/20th horsepower @ 1/350th the energy needed to use a combustion engine and human driver.

The other Chinese dude is building the Tsangpo Dam, 100 coal power plant equivalent. 100% free clean falling water.

[suntan]

Fairly sure 2-3 solar panels per house is sufficient.

[89coupe]

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I dunno, this is the sort of guy who might be thinking that 2 million pounds of fuel to go 250 miles up is/was a good idea to start with.

Some Chinese dude is working on delivering a pizza and coke with 1/20th horsepower @ 1/350th the energy needed to use a combustion engine and human driver.

The other Chinese dude is building the Tsangpo Dam, 100 coal power plant equivalent. 100% free clean falling water.

Huh?

Did you even watch the video? LOL

[jutes]

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Huh?

Pretty much covers his posts for the last 10 years.

[ZenOps]

When you say its just not happening, is that a statement of fact as the way it should be, or a statement of shame?

Bias is extremely important. Oil people will only see the statement of fact. Renewable people will see the statement of shame. 50% will vote UCP, 50% will vote NDP. Is the dress black and blue or white and gold?

Not all scientists are hippies. Personally I see Buzz Aldrin more as shame (especially the failures placed upon three generations of US white male scientists), as you go toward octogenarian he is more of a hero.

This is one of those videos, where you make your parents and grandparents watch, and have them write up a conclusion about what the main message was.

[ExtraSlow]

If you focus only on oil, the IEA suggests demand will not see significant decline until after 2050 and that's only if there's significant government intervention to force consumers into more expensive energy forms. And that decline is pretty gradual after that.

The transition is real, and probably inevitable. However timing matters.

[vengie]

I for one plan to be long retired by 2050.
Drill baby drill.

[ZenOps]

5 cars per 100 or 80 cars per 100. OK.

Now, I'm assuming that Beyond would say we should try to bring the 5 cars up to some higher number like maybe 25 out of 100. But if that means that the 80 cars out of 100 people have to be brought down to 50 out of 100, what then?

Since the entire video is about scarcity or abundance, this becomes the main issue. Some would see everyone gets to 99 cars out of 100, others might think - lets just go drones for all small deliveries and bring it down to 3 out of 100 (bias), so that all our food and every good produced is cheaper because the fuel can be used for things like food production and mass transportation.

Is spending 2 million pounds of fuel to send a pizza to a construction astronaut on the moon, really a good use of combustible fuel? The more you consume, the more you save? Elon equates distance with progress, which is true-ish up to a point, but not for sending a pizza to keep a human alive for 6 hours so he can put a couple screw piles on the moon.

Distance as progress has traditionally been a British thing. Where you spend as much resources as possible to gain as much distance as possible, and then conquer the non-English speaking guy at the other end as compensation.

Distance as progress on the first moon landing was initially a Nazi thing. Where you hired the Nazi to lead the team to drop bombs as far as possible.

Did Buzz burn up all the fuel so that he has forced his grandkids to never use a car?

[e31]

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Removed Zenops drivel.

No NASA involvement, but If we can convince Elon to fire Zenops into space he can finally see the curvature of the earth on his one way trip... Worth it.

China has already solved the "pizza delivery for 37watts" problem: bicycles. But bikes suck.

Tell me how clean solar & hydroelectric dams are when your concrete requires vast amounts of non-renewable material & energy to produce.

[Darell_n]

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No NASA involvement, but If we can convince Elon to fire Zenops into space he can finally see the curvature of the earth on his one way trip... Worth it.

China has already solved the "pizza delivery for 37watts" problem: bicycles. But bikes suck.

Tell me how clean solar & hydroelectric dams are when your concrete requires vast amounts of non-renewable material & energy to produce.

China needs to build future dams from plastic as concrete is entirely too polluting. Stream results on TikTok, thank you.

[Xtrema]

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Tell me how clean solar & hydroelectric dams are when your concrete requires vast amounts of non-renewable material & energy to produce.

Dams are not green. It's just cheaper form of energy.

But given Chinese cycle of drought and flood, dams are as much of a liability as asset.

Our future will again be nukes. There is no way we are dropping fossil fuel without more power from nuke.

That said, the Greeks are doing a $1.7B solar project here?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...erta-1.6862891

[msommers]

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Tell me how clean solar & hydroelectric dams are when your concrete requires vast amounts of non-renewable material & energy to produce.

You'd have to do some very complex calculations evaluating the the energy input and materials required to build a dam and the resulting expected energy output over the life cycle of the dam vs. the same thing using NG.

And then evaluate total mass emission rates (kg/hr) over their estimated life cycle.

There are a lot of 'gut feelings' about this stuff but once someone's big brain crunches all the numbers, it's the only way to say one way or other.

[riander5]

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Dams are not green. It's just cheaper form of energy.

But given Chinese cycle of drought and flood, dams are as much of a liability as asset.

Our future will again be nukes. There is no way we are dropping fossil fuel without more power from nuke.

That said, the Greeks are doing a $1.7B solar project here?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...erta-1.6862891

Dams are pretty green. Not sure where you are getting your information from.

And yea Nuclear is a clear cut, no brainer. https://apnews.com/article/georgia-n...51be9115e88a64

Ouch

[Xtrema]

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Dams are pretty green. Not sure where you are getting your information from.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...climate-change

[ExtraSlow]

SMR nukes are the answer. Will be interesting to see how inexpensive they get when building batches of 4, 8 12 of identical units in a controlled factory setting. Plop one down beside every SAGD steam plant, and one near every city, and you have a really nice baseload power source.

[Xtrema]

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SMR nukes are the answer. Will be interesting to see how inexpensive they get when building batches of 4, 8 12 of identical units in a controlled factory setting. Plop one down beside every SAGD steam plant, and one near every city, and you have a really nice baseload power source.

Not looking good out of the gate.
https://www.cato.org/blog/cost-escal...uclear-power-0

[riander5]

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https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...climate-change

Dive a bit deeper than some random article into the data and you'll see hydro is our current best bet in terms of being 'green' (Look at BC, MB, and QC)

https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-an...es-canada.html

Not everyone has access to easy hydro, which is where Nuclear could play a big role. But after seeing how things went in GA I'm not sure people are going to be lining up to fund these things.

Not saying the LCA of Carbon Intensity of various energy sources is perfect, but it certainly is rigorous.