Why I'm personally sick of gay/trans jokes - Pride month 2023

[sxtasy]

As a native guy, beyond can be a shitty place to navigate through social/political topics. I'm not easily offended by these kind of jokes, but they do get tiresome. I just stay clear of those kinds of threads.

Onto the trans/non binary topic, in my personal experience, this topic is heavily pushed in schools now. In my son's grade 5 class, the teacher asked the kids what they identify as, and separated them into groups. Most of the kids in his class identified as non binary or some other identity. I find it troubling such topics are often pushed onto kids whom are entering a difficult phase of their life. Let kids be kids.

[Tik-Tok]

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the teacher asked the kids what they identify as, and separated them into groups

That sounds very much the opposite of what should be happening.

[Xtrema]

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As a native guy, beyond can be a shitty place to navigate through social/political topics. I'm not easily offended by these kind of jokes, but they do get tiresome. I just stay clear of those kinds of threads.

Onto the trans/non binary topic, in my personal experience, this topic is heavily pushed in schools now. In my son's grade 5 class, the teacher asked the kids what they identify as, and separated them into groups. Most of the kids in his class identified as non binary or some other identity. I find it troubling such topics are often pushed onto kids whom are entering a difficult phase of their life. Let kids be kids.

I think if they are ready for sex ed, they are ready for this talk. Grade 5 is a bit early, but who knows, may be in this internet age, it's not.

I always thought sex ed in Grade 10/11 back in my days is a bit too late with a few popping out kids already at that point.

Anyway, be balance and talk to your kids about it and make sure you don't paint yourself into a corner you can't get out of.

[zechs]

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if his friend can't be civil in front of his children about a subject that affects them regardless of what the subject is.

Also, they aren't silly daydreams if it's causing serious depression that leads to suicide, again, regardless of subject matter or how they got there. Even if it's a "phase" they grow out of, they need support to actually GROW and not die (literally)

Apparently I'm the only one who actually read ES post. His friend has not made any jokes or derogatory comments aimed at his child. ES, currently, is emotionally overreacting to a made up situation in his head that has not actually occurred.

You also have the correlation/causation backwards. These kids have problems, and this ideology is presented to them as a solution. If left alone, most grow out of it.

Teen suicide is a new phenomena of the past two decades, virtually non-existent prior. Also, trans people have a 41% suicide (attempt?) rate. And it goes up after transitioning. Gay kids are not offing themselves at a crazy rate, being gay is widely accepted.

I'm also not trying to insult ES. I actually feel for the guy, whether he agrees with my perspective or not, he has a tough road ahead of him.

There are ways to fix this issue, but they will require massive sacrifices (pulling the kid out of the toxic school situation as an example). I simply do not want his kid to be miserable, and people are remarkably capable about lying about being ok when they clearly aren't.

Also, the 50/50 on the reps made me chuckle, good job Beyond.

The long and short of it is that (especially if this is a girl) he will shortly be dealing with a trans issue.

He has to make the choice whether he will allow that to happen. Parent's have a large influence on their kids, the fact this is a surprise highlights that ES might have thought he was involved with his kid but was not as much as was necessary.

Like I said, tough situation, nobody likes to be blamed for their children's issues, and really in this situation it's you against the world if you try and go against the (political) science.

ES has as much power to help his child as he had power to prevent it. Whether he exercises that is his prerogative.

And just so you know ES, Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is what they use to un-gay kids.

It's also what they use to trans the kids. It is the most effective form of psycho-analysis, and it also is the most morally and ethically hazardous as it is effectively a form of brainwashing.

Gotta ask why it is ok to use it one way but not the other.

I really hope you take into consideration that your child is confused and is not non-binary. And also, words are words. A lot of you need to grow up and act like actual men. Someone makes a joke in poor taste, who gives a fuck? Once again, don't raise children like that. You have the power.

[Brent.ff]

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There is a reason why certain things have age limits.

Please go on..

[Tik-Tok]

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Apparently I'm the only one who actually read ES post. His friend has not made any jokes or derogatory comments aimed at his child. ES, currently, is emotionally overreacting to a made up situation in his head that has not actually occurred.

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Teen suicide is a new phenomena of the past two decades, virtually non-existent prior.

So you know for a fact that his friend has never said anything about the topic in front of ES's kids? Are you psychic?

Also... wat?

Suicide Rates for Teens Aged 15–19 Years, by Sex — United States, 1975–2015


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6630a6.htm

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Please go on..

Brain fully develops at age 25?

Grown adult, do whatever you want?

[Brent.ff]

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Brain fully develops at age 25?

Grown adult, do whatever you want?

Please, please, let ol’ 89coupe dig his own grave

[sxtasy]

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I think if they are ready for sex ed, they are ready for this talk. Grade 5 is a bit early, but who knows, may be in this internet age, it's not.

I always thought sex ed in Grade 10/11 back in my days is a bit too late with a few popping out kids already at that point.

Anyway, be balance and talk to your kids about it and make sure you don't paint yourself into a corner you can't get out of.

Sex ed is important around this age. But I think there is a line crossed when asking kids to commit to a sexual identity when they still have a lot to learn about themselves, others and haven't reached puberty yet. There's also a peer group/influence factor when put on the spot and publicly asked what you identify as in front of your classmates.

[Thaco]

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Go fuck off.

point validated.

[Buster]

This thread is as fun as a root canal.

[gwill]

I'd be curious to hear how a kid decides he's non binary. Where's the influence in this kid coming from that they think this is what they need/want.

Not sure how people can dismiss the influences in their kids lives as having a direct impact on things.

[zechs]

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And yeah, we are starting from a good place where the kid felt comfortable telling us, and talking to us. That's a big win.

Your kid was groomed and taught things you weren't aware of.

Not a big win. If the kid had such great faith in you, said kid would have come to you first with questions and asked YOU for help with this issue.

This is textbook grooming 101, and you are being played. Your kid came to you after someone else assured them this was good for them and said they'd support them even if you reacted negatively.

[tonytiger55]

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So you know for a fact that his friend has never said anything about the topic in front of ES's kids? Are you psychic?

Also... wat?

Suicide Rates for Teens Aged 15–19 Years, by Sex — United States, 1975–2015


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6630a6.htm

I think zechs was specifically referencing suicide by transgender, non binary etc. If that is the case (Im not trying to be Pedantic). then er...technically that graph is the wrong one. It refers to suicide by those who are male or female.

[schurchill39]

Some of the replies here put the polarizing covid thread to shame. Jeeze.

[jutes]

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Some of the replies here put the polarizing covid thread to shame. Jeeze.

You should find yourself a reddit sub, maybe you'll feel safer in an eco-chamber you agree with. Zechs just sheds light on the real very issue of kids being manipulated and indoctrinated by the public education system, this was never a problem 20 years ago. It's not like being non-binary was even a thing, it just didn't exist. The left have lost their fucking minds and are inflicting this cancer into the education system. Parents can only do so much.

[The Cosworth]

Well posted, I'm definitely from a family that exposed me to the LBGT community early. My uncle was a founder of Twisted Element, one of the first people to start Calgary Pride, and my brother is asexual. So I hear ya.

I hate to say it, because it is the wrong approach, but I've just given up arguing with people about it.

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You should find yourself a reddit sub, maybe you'll feel safer in an eco-chamber you agree with. Zechs just sheds light on the real very issue of kids being manipulated and indoctrinated by the public education system, this was never a problem 20 years ago. It's not like being non-binary was even a thing, it just didn't exist. The left have lost their fucking minds and are inflicting this cancer into the education system. Parents can only do so much.

I disagree, I think it was just not labelled or accepted. When I was a kid (and I assume you too) there were guys who were Metro(sexual) who weren't gay but could have been.

[vengie]

Well this is timely.

[suntan]

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point validated.

Amazing how you can make someone else's issues all about you.

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You should find yourself a reddit sub, maybe you'll feel safer in an eco-chamber you agree with. Zechs just sheds light on the real very issue of kids being manipulated and indoctrinated by the public education system, this was never a problem 20 years ago. It's not like being non-binary was even a thing, it just didn't exist. The left have lost their fucking minds and are inflicting this cancer into the education system. Parents can only do so much.

It's always been a thing.

It has been a part of Asian culture for a very, very, very long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey

[JfuckinC]

Zechs, It's pretty impressive how much information about this individual situation you can surmise from a couple forum posts. You're fucking amazng...

Jutes, you didn't have any tomboys or young men that seemed to roll with the girls more than the boys at school? Interesting..