Newish Small SUV - What's the best option for long term ownership

[88CRX]

I've had a Rav4 as a rental before and I was also really underwhelmed. It reminded me of my old Honda Element (super cheap interior, noisy engine, rough ride).

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buzzsaw engine

This x100. Shit was loud and annoying.

[rage2]

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I don't understand how people could cross shop CUV's and settle for a RAV4. It's such an underwhelming vehicle from the low grade interior to the buzzsaw engine especially when you consider the price. Clearly these vehicles are selling on reputation only.

When the completion is the Rogue...

I dunno I feel like it's got a $40k car interior. Pretty on par with everything else unless I'm missing something. The refreshed interior is definitely a huge step up from our Sienna, which has what I would call a low grade interior.

You're right about the engine tho, and why I'd never suggest the gas version. The hybrid one drives 1000x nicer, but sounds like ass because CVT as well. Same as our Sienna. I mean, I ain't suggesting these cars for the engine note. It's a car that gets the job done better than others.

I wouldn't buy one, and if I did have a need for something like this, I'd jump to the Lexus version.

[max_boost]

GF's Rogue in shop getting fixed and got a Rav4 as rental, she likes the Rogue much more.
<30 yo white girl if that matters lol

[msommers]

Sounding like the NX or RX are the play here. Reliable but with some refinements.

Does Lexus require premium on all their vehicles?

[bjstare]

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Sounding like the NX or RX are the play here. Reliable but with some refinements.

Does Lexus require premium on all their vehicles?

I believe so.

But unless you drive for a living, the incremental cost is negligible. Somehow people can’t understand that.

[riander5]

All the luxury japenese brands do. That's why they are so premium.... Squeeze an extra 5% of HP our of the honda / nissan / toyota engine and it MUST have premium I guess. I'm putting regular in my 04' lexus RX330 with no issues... but its an old beast and any miles at this point are bonus miles, any breakdowns won't be due to fuel octane rating.

[ThePenIsMightier]

RX manual says yes. Reality says a resounding no.

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GF's Rogue in shop getting fixed and got a Rav4 as rental, she likes the Rogue much more.
<30 yo white girl if that matters lol

Hmmm.

[tonytiger55]

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https://mycarvoice.com/news/honda-oil-dilution-lawsuit/

All the way back to 2018.

Hell of a rationalization you're doing there.

Im just trying to simplify it.
It was covered quite extensively on the Honda CRV forums.

https://www.crvownersclub.com/thread...thread.195127/

If the same issue was on a domestic, do you think it would gain as much coverage?

GF's Rogue in shop getting fixed and got a Rav4 as rental, she likes the Rogue much more.
<30 yo white girl if that matters lol

I don't get this either. My ex girfriends (Asian, East Indian etc) all had Nissans. I don't get it.

[killramos]

You seem really hung up with odd conspiracies against the Asians

[Pauly Boy]

After having a few vehicles now with "premium recommended" I must say the cost savings to run regular vs premium are negligible.

I didn't log my data, but I consistently got much better mileage on premium vs regular in the last 2 Acura's. So I'd save $10 on a full tank buying builder-grade gas but get 50km less than if I had just run premium. The engine would be noticeably less "peppy" when it would retard itself due to the lower octane as well.

[suntan]

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Im just trying to simplify it.
It was covered quite extensively on the Honda CRV forums.

https://www.crvownersclub.com/thread...thread.195127/

If the same issue was on a domestic, do you think it would gain as much coverage?

You're kidding right?

Links on forums is worthless. You can find links on forums for every car brand complaining about something.

You're dealing with products that sell in the millions. There's always going to be complainers.

[max_boost]

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After having a few vehicles now with "premium recommended" I must say the cost savings to run regular vs premium are negligible.

I didn't log my data, but I consistently got much better mileage on premium vs regular in the last 2 Acura's. So I'd save $10 on a full tank buying builder-grade gas but get 50km less than if I had just run premium. The engine would be noticeably less "peppy" when it would retard itself due to the lower octane as well.

Better gas is better gas unless trying to rack up pts during last year’s UFA days lol

[heavyD]

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You're kidding right?

Links on forums is worthless. You can find links on forums for every car brand complaining about something.

You're dealing with products that sell in the millions. There's always going to be complainers.

There's a class action lawsuit for crying out loud. Honda isn't what it used to be. It is what it is.

[eblend]

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New Outlander.

Readily available.

Base on Nissan Rouge

10 year powertrain warranty or Mitsubishi folds, whichever comes 1st.

Came here to say the same thing. My dad had the same requirement as the OP, something that can last for a while and not worry about it. Don't know if it will last for a while, but it's 3 years in and still got 7 years of warranty left, so can't really complain, had 0 issues. We got the older model, just before they switched to the new redesign which looks a ton better. Perhaps that's all the OPs parents need, and don't have a need for a Lexus or whatever, just go get from point a to point b, and not have to worry about major expenses when it comes to reliability.

I personally got a Forester Sport for myself, and the Outlander for dad, and I drove both, and yah, the Forester feels like a premium vehicle in comparison, but if all they need is a to b, then it might fit the bill, and be cheaper than most other competition.

EDIT: PHEV is available if they are into saving earth and all that bs.

[suntan]

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There's a class action lawsuit for crying out loud. Honda isn't what it used to be. It is what it is.

I get that, but fact is relative to everything else in that class it's really reliable.

[Asian_defender]

This thread is enlightening. I was in the market for a newer(ish) Civic. Looks like I'll stay away from the 1.5T

[tonytiger55]

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You're kidding right?

Links on forums is worthless. You can find links on forums for every car brand complaining about something.

You're dealing with products that sell in the millions. There's always going to be complainers.

I think you are misunderstanding my point.
There is a distinction between complaining about something and trying to understand what is the actual problem is. The reason I posted the link was just that. There is a lot of miss information of the oil dilution issue and linking problems (or non problems)that have nothing to do with that.
Honda makes thousands of vehicles, oil dilution is not limited to Honda engines. Before I bought my Honda I went though researching this vs Honda as a car engine company that has been making good small engines for decades.
Is there a oil dilution issue, yes. Is it as big as everyone makes it out to be, no. Why...? Many non issues are being linked to that. Does the class action lawsuit scare me or create doubt. No, its the USA. If a assembly tech farted in the CRV during production and shut the door. Someone in the USA would find a way to sue for headaches, health issues....hell im sure there would be at least one classification of a accident or death. At that rate Big pharma in the US would find a way to make it mandatory to take a anti fart vaccine before buying a Honda.

Do I trust the brand on fixing this vs Chevy Ford or Hyundai? Yes. Why..? Its not complicated... Its because they eat good rice, their forefathers were Samurai and Aryton Senna drove a Honda. What more assurance could one need?
Whats the alternative purchase.... A Nissan Rogue?

[Kloubek]

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New Hondas might not be junk, but they’re more like ford than they ever have been.

I agree. They aren't the brand they used to be. I don't necessarily put much into what JD Power has to say, but for shits and giggles:



Not gonna lie. Seeing Dodge and RAM at the top kinda floors me. Historically, Chrysler has made some of the worst vehicles available - although the ACTUAL Chrysler brand itself ranks about as low as I would have expected. Third place is Alfa, which is also quite a surprise. I am lightly considering replacing my XFR, and an Alfa has been a consideration after I had heard how much their quality had improved. But now seeing this list, 3rd place is pretty damn impressive for a brand I THOUGHT would have pretty shoddy reliability.

But to see Honda and Toyota mid-pack or worse is pretty sad. It will take them a lot longer to regain their reputation of quality than it was to lose it. Poor business decisions being made over there. Even Lexus is a third down the list - which is a huge disappointment, as they built perhaps the MOST reliable vehicles for decades.

[suntan]

RAM #2 because their trucks are nothing but a steering wheel and cab now.

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