Newish Small SUV - What's the best option for long term ownership

[ExtraSlow]

CR and JD Power results don't align with reputations at all. That's been true for at least 20 years.

At one point CR admitted that Caddy always did worse then GMC because all the electronic bells and whistles caused more complaints. I assume if that's still true Dodge and Ram would benefit from the fact their vehicles have no features.

[suntan]

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At one point CR admitted that Caddy always did worse then GMC because all the electronic bells and whistles caused more complaints.

If the bells and whistles needed repairs, makes sense to me.

[killramos]

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CR and JD Power results don't align with reputations at all. That's been true for at least 20 years.

At one point CR admitted that Caddy always did worse then GMC because all the electronic bells and whistles caused more complaints. I assume if that's still true Dodge and Ram would benefit from the fact their vehicles have no features.

The Ram Classic is making more sense every day

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If the bells and whistles needed repairs, makes sense to me.

It's not repairs though. It's people not understanding how infotainment works because of shitty UI, and that's chalked as a problem. CR explained it years ago how those issues were skewing overall metrics and you have to dig deeper into the numbers (by paying) to figure out mechanical reliability.

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CR and JD Power results don't align with reputations at all. That's been true for at least 20 years.

At one point CR admitted that Caddy always did worse then GMC because all the electronic bells and whistles caused more complaints. I assume if that's still true Dodge and Ram would benefit from the fact their vehicles have no features.

CR still rates Honda pretty high. It's just that Honda and Toyota no longer sit up at the top all alone. Other brands have caught up and in some ways surpassed them. Most brands in general are pretty reliable these days relative to decades back with only a small handful of brands with issues as listed in orange that are for the most part the usual suspects.

https://reprints.theygsgroup.com/cr/...WhatBrands.pdf

[Asian_defender]

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CR still rates Honda pretty high. It's just that Honda and Toyota no longer sit up at the top all alone. Other brands have caught up and in some ways surpassed them. Most brands in general are pretty reliable these days relative to decades back with only a small handful of brands with issues as listed in orange that are for the most part the usual suspects.

https://reprints.theygsgroup.com/cr/...WhatBrands.pdf

There must be a mistake.... Mini and reliable shouldn't be in the same sentence

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There must be a mistake.... Mini and reliable shouldn't be in the same sentence

They are essentially the same as X1 and X2's which are pretty reliable these days.

[suntan]

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It's not repairs though. It's people not understanding how infotainment works because of shitty UI, and that's chalked as a problem. CR explained it years ago how those issues were skewing overall metrics and you have to dig deeper into the numbers (by paying) to figure out mechanical reliability.

Oh that sort of stuff. Yeah I'm okay with that too. Japanese can't make UI to save their lives. The RAV4 I rented had an interface from the 90s. I would've preferred a DOS prompt.

[The_Penguin]

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CR and JD Power results don't align with reputations at all. That's been true for at least 20 years.

At one point CR admitted that Caddy always did worse then GMC because all the electronic bells and whistles caused more complaints. I assume if that's still true Dodge and Ram would benefit from the fact their vehicles have no features.

CR once painted all Passats with the same brush and said they had problems with the coil packs. It was only the 1.8L but made it a pain in the ass to sell my 6 cyl.

[suntan]

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CR once painted all Passats with the same brush and said they had problems with the coil packs. It was only the 1.8L but made it a pain in the ass to sell my 6 cyl.

Or maybe because it was a VW.

[HiSpec]

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I did get the letter yea. Pretty sure I already had the infotainment system wire/connection replaced a few years ago, need to check to make sure.

But the infotainment system (and specifically Car Play) is so laggy, but I think thats more on Apple? Or is that Acura fuckery? Maybe I need to get it checked out again.

Apparently the current generation of MDXs are experiencing issues with the infotainment screen not powering up, and random battery drain.

[suntan]

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I think you are misunderstanding my point.
There is a distinction between complaining about something and trying to understand what is the actual problem is. The reason I posted the link was just that. There is a lot of miss information of the oil dilution issue and linking problems (or non problems)that have nothing to do with that.
Honda makes thousands of vehicles, oil dilution is not limited to Honda engines. Before I bought my Honda I went though researching this vs Honda as a car engine company that has been making good small engines for decades.
Is there a oil dilution issue, yes. Is it as big as everyone makes it out to be, no. Why...? Many non issues are being linked to that. Does the class action lawsuit scare me or create doubt. No, its the USA. If a assembly tech farted in the CRV during production and shut the door. Someone in the USA would find a way to sue for headaches, health issues....hell im sure there would be at least one classification of a accident or death. At that rate Big pharma in the US would find a way to make it mandatory to take a anti fart vaccine before buying a Honda.

Do I trust the brand on fixing this vs Chevy Ford or Hyundai? Yes. Why..? Its not complicated... Its because they eat good rice, their forefathers were Samurai and Aryton Senna drove a Honda. What more assurance could one need?
Whats the alternative purchase.... A Nissan Rogue?

Not even sure why you even posted that link then. So some people complained and then it was fixed. Okay, hey that's what a lot of car companies do.

My 2015 Santa Fe XL keeps on rollin'. 200K KM now. Only repairs are due to my wife driving over and into things.

[jwslam]

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My 2015 Santa Fe XL keeps on rollin'. 200K KM now. Only repairs are due to my wife driving over and into things.

No one in this thread likes Koreans

[ExtraSlow]

Girls or cars? Oh wait I like both.

[suntan]

I wonder if my wife was Korean if she would've driven over or hit fewer things.

[SilverRex]

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I agree. They aren't the brand they used to be. I don't necessarily put much into what JD Power has to say, but for shits and giggles:

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Not gonna lie. Seeing Dodge and RAM at the top kinda floors me. Historically, Chrysler has made some of the worst vehicles available - although the ACTUAL Chrysler brand itself ranks about as low as I would have expected. Third place is Alfa, which is also quite a surprise. I am lightly considering replacing my XFR, and an Alfa has been a consideration after I had heard how much their quality had improved. But now seeing this list, 3rd place is pretty damn impressive for a brand I THOUGHT would have pretty shoddy reliability.

But to see Honda and Toyota mid-pack or worse is pretty sad. It will take them a lot longer to regain their reputation of quality than it was to lose it. Poor business decisions being made over there. Even Lexus is a third down the list - which is a huge disappointment, as they built perhaps the MOST reliable vehicles for decades.

I wonder if dodge/RAM being up their has anything to do with the chip/parts shortage so they are just pumping out basic models without electronics hence less defect per vehicle.

[Darell_n]

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I wonder if dodge/RAM being up their has anything to do with the chip/parts shortage so they are just pumping out basic models without electronics hence less defect per vehicle.

No, they just figured out most of the issues making the same truck since 2009. Although, if they did make a truck with actually no electronics, for cheap, I would definitely buy one. Pretty common to carburetor the 5.7 and 6.1L Hemi in project vehicles.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Chrysler infotainment may not be super fancy but it does work and it’s fairly easy to figure out.