Israel at war on surprise attack.

[vengie]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Your out of touch with the reality of the situation. What should Israel do? Hamas made a choice.

Israel doesn't get to live in the alternate reality many people here live in. Where's the solutions from those saying Israel shouldn't attack?

How did trying to wipe out the Taliban go? Isis?
They still operate.

You can't kill your way out of this problem.
Very unsure why this is difficult to grasp.

The only way to influence / change an ideology is through generations of psychological programming.

[Xtrema]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Where's the solutions from those saying Israel shouldn't attack?

There is no solution to this until one or the other is gone.

Then we'll move onto other regional fights.

It may help if we remove oil out of that equation which not happening any time soon.

[msommers]

For context, the Iron Dome has been in service since 2011. By 2014, it had intercepted and shot down 1,200 rockets originating from Gaza.

Extrapolate that to 2023 and I'm surprised Israel hasn't nuked them already.

[Darell_n]

Clearly the solution is to remove the Gaza Strip land itself. I mean, my kids fight over something so I take it away. Seems to work well in that scenario. Probably going to happen anyway if we (Canada specifically) don’t triple our carbon tax asap.

[suntan]

We need a Gaza Strip tax.

[max_boost]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Your out of touch with the reality of the situation. What should Israel do? Hamas made a choice.

Israel doesn't get to live in the alternate reality many people here live in. Where's the solutions from those saying Israel shouldn't attack?

I’m not sure I’m so much out of touch
I’m looking at it like I don’t want people to die at least not in this way

[My_name_is_Rob]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The only way to influence / change an ideology is through generations of psychological programming.

I think Canada just got busted for failing this method. I believe they were calling them residential schools.

[suntan]

Less kiddie-diddling.

[eblend]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

What would you think is the better approach, go building to building searching individual rooms? Hamas terrorists live among the population, use ambulances to transport weapons and store them under schools, hospitals and churches.

I don't have a solution, just saying that bombing an entire building, to the point of a complete collapse, seems excessive. I highly doubt these Hamas are chilling in their penthouse suits waiting for incoming missiles, so really you take out a 200 apartment building, and take away a home from 200 people, to kill a group of terrorists. It's a pretty nuclear option I think.

On a related note. I was watching a video on how before, Israel would send a loud bang bomb towards a building it was about to bomb, to warn residents to get out. Can anyone explain to me what the hell is the purpose of this.....you basically let the terrorists and residents know that you will bomb the fuck out of the building in a few minutes...terrorists escape, and you blow the building the fuck anyways...without killing the terrorists haha. I just don't get it. Why blow a fucking building if the terrorists already escaped? Someone enlighten me.

[max_boost]

The terrorists hide in the buildings with the regular folks
Yea what is the solution who knows
Maybe back to swordfish is the way

They bomb a church, we bomb ten. They hijack a plane, we take out an airport. They execute American tourists, we tactically nuke an entire city. Our job is to make terrorism so horrific that it becomes unthinkable to attack Americans.

[jutes]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

watching a video on how before, Israel would send a loud bang bomb towards a building it was about to bomb, to warn residents to get out. Can anyone explain to me what the hell is the purpose of this.....you basically let the terrorists and residents know that you will bomb the fuck out of the building in a few minutes...terrorists escape, and you blow the building the fuck anyways...without killing the terrorists haha. I just don't get it. Why blow a fucking building if the terrorists already escaped? Someone enlighten me.

Buildings themselves have importance too. Weapons and ammo storage for one. Overall, it will be a much easier invasion of ground forces if all the buildings are knocked down, no place to hide.

[ThePenIsMightier]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

]...

I dislike arguing with you, as you're one of the members here whose posts I usually and regularly like and respect. But your statement regarding the whites only club isn't accurate, no matter what era you want to land in.

My point was that it's about supporting white, Jewish people in this particular instance. It was not my intent to say that it's always about whitey. I wasn't super clear.
My theory is that whatever recipe destabilizes the people in that region accomplishes key things that benefit the West.
1.) Keeps large portions of them in the 1400's in a faith-based society with rampant, irrational hate for other faiths.
2.) Stops them from working together to abandon an archaic system.
3.) Stops them from working together to destabilize oil prices.
4.) Stops them from realizing they're all virtually the fuckin same and should be working together.

If today that means arming Israel and turning a blind eye to the atrocities that they are likely to extract as revenge, then that's what will happen.
If last month, that meant fostering the idea that Shi'ites should be killing Sunni people or vice versa, then that's going to get support.

[flipstah]

Report that Egypt warned Israel about this but Israel downplayed it.

Stirring the pot it seems? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

[Xtrema]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Report that Egypt warned Israel about this but Israel downplayed it.

Stirring the pot it seems? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

This is what I find odd. These are the people that warned their people to stay away from World Trade Center on 9/11.

Somebody in Israel doesn't want peace deal with Saudi.

[Gman.45]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Report that Egypt warned Israel about this but Israel downplayed it.

Stirring the pot it seems? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

From the article - ""We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,""

Ya, okay, but what actionable and verifiable intelligence was there, and did Egypt share that, or just pass along a "hey bro, Hamas could possibly hit you on the 50th anniversary of the You're Mom Kippered war, watch out bro". Ya, thanks tips. Hamas attacks "could happen". You don't say. It wasn't like Israel was asleep at the wheel, I counted nearly 2 dozen armed cops at the mmph pssh mmp pssh dance a thon in various videos, and dozens of Israeli troops were overrun, killed, and captured at the border outposts. You can see a new model Merkeva tank roar up to kids fleeing at the music festival too. Probably the one that got captured and driven back into Gaza.

Anyhow, before throwing anyone in the Israeli gov or military command under the bus, I'd like to see exactly what Egypt said in their warning, if there was one.

[ExtraSlow]

an "event like this could happen" every day over there, I thought.

[benyl]

Pretty much. I lived and worked there for 6 months back in 1999. You constantly looked for Arabs that looked out of place (which were all of them).

For a company retreat, we went to a resort in the north near the Lebanon border. The day after we left, the hotel was hit by rockets from Lebanon.

Made the news: https://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/18/w...ee-region.html


Don’t think much has changed since then.

[ThePenIsMightier]

I also honestly feel like I'm the victim, here...

[ragu]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I don't have a solution, just saying that bombing an entire building, to the point of a complete collapse, seems excessive. I highly doubt these Hamas are chilling in their penthouse suits waiting for incoming missiles, so really you take out a 200 apartment building, and take away a home from 200 people, to kill a group of terrorists. It's a pretty nuclear option I think.

On a related note. I was watching a video on how before, Israel would send a loud bang bomb towards a building it was about to bomb, to warn residents to get out. Can anyone explain to me what the hell is the purpose of this.....you basically let the terrorists and residents know that you will bomb the fuck out of the building in a few minutes...terrorists escape, and you blow the building the fuck anyways...without killing the terrorists haha. I just don't get it. Why blow a fucking building if the terrorists already escaped? Someone enlighten me.

I almost replied to your earlier post then said F it and then I saw this amongst a sea of voices here that support genocide, war crimes and mass executions, I applaud you @eblend for maintaining a reasonable view.

So to answer your question. Why send a notification and then demolish an apartment building? Similarly, over the last few days it announced to the media that it's giving safe passage to Palestinians to refugee camp near Egyptian border - only to bomb the area. Both of these practices take place during every one of these "wars".

In both instances, from a military perspective it achieves nothing but its completely on brand with what has been happening since ~1950 - kill Palestinians and occupy land, meanwhile ensuring that people see it as a moral force.

Let's break this down.
- The portrayal to save Palestinians is a farce as you can look up how safe journalists, children and women are from Israeli military force on a regular basis OR just how settlements are carried out where homes are invaded, and rebuilt for Zionist population with soldiers harassing/ torturing the previous residents (Palestinians).
- IDF self-proclaims to be the most moral military on the planet - not the second most, but the most. So the notification ahead of bombing on the surface seems like a moral response to tragic situation but does nothing to kill Hamas but will kill civilians.
- Gaza is the most controlled piece of land (often referred to as an open air prison). Once the building is demolished, building supplies are very difficult to procure so rebuild is nearly impossible. What used to host 50+ apartments will become shacks/ ghetto that will make do with very little. Indirectly, it achieves what settlements achieve.

This "war" comes only a week after Canadians took some time to understand what happened to aboriginals and our kids participate in all sorts of activities - at the very least you'd hope they/we understand that we dont let it happen again. It is honestly sad reading through these pages that in 2023, majority will actually support it or celebrate it.

[gwill]

It's amazing how much murder and terror one has to look past to put any blame of the current situation on Israel.

The way Israel is getting presented in the media is bs. Hamas gets treated like their not a terrorist group. Civilians get murdered by hamas and the media tone it down like it's just another "conflict" death.

Where's the moderate Palestinians stepping up to say hamas has to go? It's not happening as we see from the hamas rallies across the world.