Israel at war on surprise attack.

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but most importantly fuck religion.

While I agree with the rest, although I wouldn't exactly put it that way, it does no good to fallaciously lump all religions together.

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While I agree with the rest, although I wouldn't exactly put it that way, it does no good to fallaciously lump all religions together.

There are many people who would argue that the existence of Organized Religion is a net detractor from overall society.
Some say, the "communities" it creates become differentiators become divisions become barriers.

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While I agree with the rest, although I wouldn't exactly put it that way, it does no good to fallaciously lump all religions together.

Very fascinating debate to be had here.
I disagree, religions are a tool.

Definitely not a debate for the internet.

Breaking this down in the most simplistic way, people are animals.
Animals will act according to their genetic nature.
We are all pre programmed to behave and function in a certain way.

Outside influences will then determine how said person grows up and acts within a social (hierarchal) structure.
Religion is one of the largest tools used to define/ influence how people act.

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There are many people who would argue that the existence of Organized Religion is a net detractor from overall society.

There are many unlearned people who do say such things, yes. There are some atheists and agnostics who argue otherwise, such as Douglas Murray, Tom Holland, and now even Richard Dawkins himself (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...kins-sqqdbmcpq).

It seems that doing some actual learning on the matter can go a long way.

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Some say, the "communities" it creates become differentiators become divisions become barriers.

Some might say that, but what is wrong with that? What about all the numerous other types of communities created quite apart from religion? What is wrong with like-minded people gathering together? Also, that is going to vary greatly from religion to religion and even within a given religion. I suspect most of the people that would say that are also in full support of the critical theory espoused by the Left, which is the most differentiating, divisive ideology going, to the point of essentially promoting segregation again.

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Very fascinating debate to be had here.
I disagree, religions are a tool.

Definitely not a debate for the internet.

Breaking this down in the most simplistic way, people are animals.
Animals will act according to their genetic nature.
We are all pre programmed to behave and function in a certain way.

Outside influences will then determine how said person grows up and acts within a social (hierarchal) structure.
Religion is one of the largest tools used to define/ influence how people act.

I support your "fuck religion". Cuz well, fuck religion.

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My sky daddy is better than yours

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Very fascinating debate to be had here.
I disagree, religions are a tool.

Definitely not a debate for the internet.

Breaking this down in the most simplistic way, people are animals.
Animals will act according to their genetic nature.
We are all pre programmed to behave and function in a certain way.

If we are indeed "pre-programmed to behave and function in a certain way," then I fail to see what you have against religion, since all who believe are simply pre-programmed to believe (we act based on what we believe to be true, mostly).

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Outside influences will then determine how said person grows up and acts within a social (hierarchal) structure.

Are we pre-programmed or not? You can't have it both ways.

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Religion is one of the largest tools used to define/ influence how people act.

And what is wrong with that? I highly recommend reading Tom Holland's book Dominion and see why, in terms of Christianity, that has been and is a good thing. Douglas Murray and Richard Dawkins seem to be saying similar things. For an honest Christian treatment, I recommend Bullies and Saints, by John Dickson.

I know you would rather have atheism as the defining tool, but that would be much worse. As much as many Christians, and those who merely think they're Christian, fail to live up to the standards given in the Bible, we believe we will be held accountable for our actions, and so ought to be behaving well. Unlike the atheist for which there is no standard whatsoever. Any perceived moral standard has been borrowed from the Christian culture. When you get rid of that standard, you end up with things like Stalin's Russia, where it doesn't matter what you do to people. Kill them by the 10s of millions, who cares since there will (supposedly) never be any repercussions.

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My sky daddy is better than yours

And this is the main problem--people are just unwilling to do some deep learning about these things, to put in the hard work. I find that extremely odd, since religions make the most serious claims that can be made about the nature of reality--where we came from; what is the purpose of life; what is wrong with the world (if there even is anything wrong); what is the solution to that problem; what happens after we die, etc. These are all the same things that philosophy tries to answer as well. And some religions and worldviews are just not great at satisfactorily answering those questions. That is why I reject every other religion and worldview apart from Christianity. And, to keep it sort of on the topic of this thread, that's why I reject Islam.

When one does a comparison, say between Christianity and Islam, there is no comparison. So, it does away with the idea of "My sky daddy is better than yours," as though there was no way of actually comparing the beliefs.

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lol

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lol

The sky men smite you.

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Bunch of heathens around here.

[killramos]

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Bunch of heathens around here.

I think we are more of Blasphemers

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If we are indeed "pre-programmed to behave and function in a certain way," then I fail to see what you have against religion, since all who believe are simply pre-programmed to believe (we act based on what we believe to be true, mostly).



Are we pre-programmed or not? You can't have it both ways.



And what is wrong with that? I highly recommend reading Tom Holland's book Dominion and see why, in terms of Christianity, that has been and is a good thing. Douglas Murray and Richard Dawkins seem to be saying similar things. For an honest Christian treatment, I recommend Bullies and Saints, by John Dickson.

I know you would rather have atheism as the defining tool, but that would be much worse. As much as many Christians, and those who merely think they're Christian, fail to live up to the standards given in the Bible, we believe we will be held accountable for our actions, and so ought to be behaving well. Unlike the atheist for which there is no standard whatsoever. Any perceived moral standard has been borrowed from the Christian culture. When you get rid of that standard, you end up with things like Stalin's Russia, where it doesn't matter what you do to people. Kill them by the 10s of millions, who cares since there will (supposedly) never be any repercussions.

We have a basic animal instinct geared strictly towards survival and are susceptible to influence which may or may not better our chance at survival.
If you want to take this even further, our basic instinct gear us towards being a "pack animal" or a social creature, this is why there is a craving for acceptance within whatever group you are trying to be in.
Religion, social media, peer groups, fucking beyond.ca. It doesn't matter what the group is.

Its human psychology.

There is nothing wrong necessarily with structure for the human race. Take away all structure and we become anarchistic maniacs.
Again, not debating religion on an online forum. But if you look at the overall structure of most religions there is one "sky god" and a relatively linear belief on how to live.
There may have been one massive event where religion stems from (Aliens?) and through translation / culture / story telling religions have evolved into their own narrative.

And people being people have decided to start killing other people because of what sky god they believe in, because at the end of the day we are all just braindead animals.

Read: Sapiens, The Laws of Human Nature
And I have many others, but start there.

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That is true, but how long before those here see what they can get away with and start that nonsense here?


I do love the irony of protesting against Israel and telling a cop you'll put him six feet under while wearing a mask. It rather goes to show exactly why Israel is doing what it is doing to get rid of Hamas. If a regular Palestinian is willing to say that to a cop in Canada, you know that Hamas is much worse. It would be great to deport such protesters to the Gaza Strip.

Doesn’t appear the death threat was directed at the cop. Either way, uttering threats is a chargeable offence.

TOs most wanted: https://www.tps.ca/organizational-ch...e/most-wanted/

I see a trend.

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It’s fluid
It’s all fluid
Gender. Orientation.
Minor attracted person.
Religion. Interpretation.
Cwazy cupcakes. All of it.

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…..but we already knew this.

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Has that been put on tiktik yet?

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…..but we already knew this.

Might be news to jabjab and a few hamas supporters around here.

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Might be news to jabjab and a few hamas supporters around here.

They will come up with anything to justify the bombings. I suppose the natural gas depots in Gaza doesn't have anything to do with it...

I'll revert back to Sadam and his weapons of mass destruction.. Did they find any? Did the world believe he did?

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They will come up with anything to justify the bombings. I suppose the natural gas depots in Gaza doesn't have anything to do with it...

I'll revert back to Sadam and his weapons of mass destruction.. Did they find any? Did the world believe he did?

Comparing Israel’s proportionate response for Oct 7th to Americas invasion of Iraq. Zenops makes more sense with his nickle and aliens at Area 51.