Official 2023/24 NHL Season Thread

[ExtraSlow]

Sounds like a bad case of hurt feelings more than anything else.

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It's no different then F1 and those guys operating in the grey areas of the rules. Vegas just figured it out before everyone else.

Vegas by no means was the first to figure it out. People are just salty cuz it's Vegas.

Chicago's 2015 cup win was over the cap. You can argue if it was legitimate or not, but it was over the cap *if* there was a cap in the playoffs (there isn't). After this, Tampa felt this was unfair and got the league to try to enforce something for playoffs to close the loophole. Only Tampa voted for it. Vegas wasn't even around then. So Tampa did what they did to prove a point.



Again, there's doctors behind these decisions, if they figured out ways around it, and zero teams wanted to change the rules to prevent it, it's part of the game. That said, Vegas game 1 with Stone, Pietrangelo AND Carrier reactivated for game 1, the roster was a measly $750k over. They've been playing under the cap and basically had room. But continue to get angry over the narrative that it's a big deal.

I feel like people are pissed because they read cap friendly, see Vegas WAY over the cap in the totals, but not realizing that they can activate more than the 23 max roster size for playoffs even tho they aren't icing all those players, where as in the regular season you're only allowed max 23 players on the roster and have to juggle to keep it cap compliant. Playoffs just makes it easy to keep everyone activated and every team does this to simplify changing roster around easily.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Vegas by no means was the first to figure it out. People are just salty cuz it's Vegas.

Chicago's 2015 cup win was over the cap. You can argue if it was legitimate or not, but it was over the cap *if* there was a cap in the playoffs (there isn't). After this, Tampa felt this was unfair and got the league to try to enforce something for playoffs to close the loophole. Only Tampa voted for it. Vegas wasn't even around then. So Tampa did what they did to prove a point.



Again, there's doctors behind these decisions, if they figured out ways around it, and zero teams wanted to change the rules to prevent it, it's part of the game. That said, Vegas game 1 with Stone, Pietrangelo AND Carrier reactivated for game 1, the roster was a measly $750k over. They've been playing under the cap and basically had room. But continue to get angry over the narrative that it's a big deal.

I feel like people are pissed because they read cap friendly, see Vegas WAY over the cap in the totals, but not realizing that they can activate more than the 23 max roster size for playoffs even tho they aren't icing all those players, where as in the regular season you're only allowed max 23 players on the roster and have to juggle to keep it cap compliant. Playoffs just makes it easy to keep everyone activated and every team does this to simplify changing roster around easily.

I'm not only picking on Vegas, because you're 111% correct that Tampa previously did it, as well. The Chicago one is a little more grey and perhaps not flagrant or maybe even legit.
You're also correct that the governors are amazingly not out for blood on this. I can't figure out why, but they should be and the fact that they aren't means the League should step in and start cracking some skulls, because many many fans are rightfully upset. If you have a peaking franchise (like Colorado, Toronto, Dallas, Edmonton or NYR) and you get fucked by a team that's also good, but got to stack themselves up a bit, those owners should be furious and their fans sure will be.

It's just not good for the game to encourage this behaviour. It's nothing like F1 because the subtle nuances of quietly introducing new technology is somewhat intertwined with flagrant cheating, and that's how racing is. Hockey really isn't that way and it's not too anyone's long term benefit to make it that way.

[ExtraSlow]

The owners don't seem to care and the union sure doesn't, since it means more total money spent 9n players.
So, nobody who matters cares.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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The owners don't seem to care and the union sure doesn't, since it means more total money spent 9n players.
So, nobody who matters cares.

Imagine the Dallas fans if they drop in Round-1 !?
A point back from the President's Trophy and you lose to the last place playoff team in the West while Stone tears up your defence? That's a completely legit scenario.

[ExtraSlow]

Yes

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Imagine the Dallas fans if they drop in Round-1 !?
A point back from the President's Trophy and you lose to the last place playoff team in the West while Stone tears up your defence? That's a completely legit scenario.

It’s mark stone not McDavid or McKinnon lol. He’s the captain but definitely not even close to the best player on the team.

[ExtraSlow]

Meh, fans of teams that lose always find some reason to complain. The refs screwed them, the video review was wrong, the skate was offside, they are over the cap. It's sour grapes either way.

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#triggerwarning

Today's Vegas lineup, $3.7m over cap with Martinez in the lineup replacing Hauge.

[ExtraSlow]

TPIM fumes

[pheoxs]

My issue isn't with teams being over the cap, it's part of the LTIR and how things are structured. But at some point you have to see what Vegas is doing with Stone specifically and say it's fishy. He's basically their largest cap hit and gets LTIR the same week for three years in a row ahead of the trade deadline so they can load up another 9M in players just for him to come back in the playoffs.

It's like when teams started drawing extra long contracts just to bring down the AAV and while it was talked about as an issue no one really cared to stop it. Then Kovalchuk signed a 17 year contract and then the NHL stepped in and canned the deal as it was going too far over the line.

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Imagine the Dallas fans if they drop in Round-1 !?
A point back from the President's Trophy and you lose to the last place playoff team in the West while Stone tears up your defence? That's a completely legit scenario.

Blame your goalie oettinger lol

Also LFG kings! Amazing Anze! Haha

[BerserkerCatSplat]

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The owners don't seem to care and the union sure doesn't, since it means more total money spent 9n players.
So, nobody who matters cares.

They care (or at least some do) but there's no point in bloviating about it right now because it can't easily be dealt with until the next CBA negotiations. You'll see it paid a lot more attention then.

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Thank you bruins
Rip leafs

[ExtraSlow]

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Thank you bruins
Rip leafs

Hah

[mr2mike]

Glad my tax dollars to the CBC and their bonuses equate to this/these vs showing an Oilers - Kings playoff game.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Glad my tax dollars to the CBC and their bonuses equate to this/these vs showing an Oilers - Kings playoff game.

So original. Such disruptors.
Tell me I'm wrong:

[ExtraSlow]

Panteros.

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Can we make ExtraSlow's custom user title "Panteros"?

This

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Go panthers go!

[killramos]

So just get rid of the cap then? Everyone wins.

Maybe hockey would become watchable?