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    I mean an SMR is only half the nominal core size of a CANDU6, most of the literature calling them dramatically smaller is comparing to 1+GW reactors.

    More reactors spread around the province means diluting expertise ( let’s be real there are only so many people qualified to run these things, and frankly I want our best minds keeping an eye on things not the b team because we wanted 6 teams ), miltiplying dilutive costs ( security ).

    SMR’s and Gen3/3+ Reactors share very similar safety concepts ( the big one is ability for passive cooling ), and considering an accident is an unacceptable event having a bunch of statistically improbably events that need to be managed seems like a terrible idea compared to focusing our efforts on one or 2 plants.

    I’d personally rather we just didn’t things right and take ourselves seriously as a country rather than this pussyfoot approach.
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riander5 View Post
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    Nuclear is great in theory, but on a project level, not a slam dunk.

    I guess not building them for decades means we sorta forgot how to

    https://apnews.com/article/georgia-n...51be9115e88a64

    TLDR - New Georgia nuke cost ~ double its original TIC and 7 years late, and bankrupted a company who you may have heard of - Westinghouse electric
    They probably just didn't file enough progress reports and use enough Earned Value project mgmt or use a Level-9 P6 schedule with Sigma Six Black Belts.

    All these useless mgmt tools in use and there's never been a time in history with more projects doubling and tripling their budgets.
    We must need more tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    I mean an SMR is only half the nominal core size of a CANDU6, most of the literature calling them dramatically smaller is comparing to 1+GW reactors.

    More reactors spread around the province means diluting expertise ( let’s be real there are only so many people qualified to run these things, and frankly I want our best minds keeping an eye on things not the b team because we wanted 6 teams ), miltiplying dilutive costs ( security ).

    SMR’s and Gen3/3+ Reactors share very similar safety concepts ( the big one is ability for passive cooling ), and considering an accident is an unacceptable event having a bunch of statistically improbably events that need to be managed seems like a terrible idea compared to focusing our efforts on one or 2 plants.

    I’d personally rather we just didn’t things right and take ourselves seriously as a country rather than this pussyfoot approach.
    As long as the reactors are less than 150 kms apart the geers can drive to each reactor using their EVs in the cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    They probably just didn't file enough progress reports and use enough Earned Value project mgmt or use a Level-9 P6 schedule with Sigma Six Black Belts.

    All these useless mgmt tools in use and there's never been a time in history with more projects doubling and tripling their budgets.
    We must need more tools.
    We must expand the bureaucracy to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.

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    I don't care how they make the electrons, just give me the fuckin things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjstare View Post
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    We must expand the bureaucracy to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
    You clearly don't government because how can you expand the bureaucracy without expanding the consultants as well.

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    Well yea, you can’t expect government employees to actually do anything…
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    The new SMR...

    Built by Bombardier, designed by SNC Lavalin...

    Fully supported by Canadian Taxpayers...
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    The dream of SMR was that it was a "design one, build many" kind of approach. Like a modular home. If that was the real approach, it should drove costs down.

    However, seems we aren't (yet?) doing that. Bespoke c8structi9n in the field is a terrible idea, and Canada is awful at it. I expect project using that approach to be 5x budget.

    If Ontario Crown corp is taking risk of budget overruns, I am strongly in favour of them bring involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjstare View Post
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    We must expand the bureaucracy to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
    It's complete madness. Trying to replace competency with checklists and reports has worked as well as the second referee in the NHL.

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    Bump for anyone who wants to document their brilliance with a guess on the summer electricity price. Today's RRO is 12.814c
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    15c
    I can eat more hot wings than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Bump for anyone who wants to document their brilliance with a guess on the summer electricity price. Today's RRO is 12.814c
    /Tinfoil hat: Every time the price starts to fall a gas plant magically goes offline during peak hours and drives up the pool price quite quickly. $70 per MWh or near that is here to stay.

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    My .059 fixed is expiring in July. I'll probably renew at ~.11 sometime soon, doubt it will get much better than that in the near future.

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    Published rro for may in enmax territory is 9.618. So we are already on the low side of those poll options.

    Anyone who didn't put in a response yet, now's your chance to look smrt.

    https://ucahelps.alberta.ca/regulated-rates.aspx
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    EnMax fixed is 10.49/kWh.
    Needs to be in the $7-8/kWh before I re-lock in. Will get happen?

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    Sub 8 might be hard, but I wouldn’t feel uncomfortable locking in anything single digits.

    They need a pretty healthy risk premium in what they set as fixed rates imo.
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    Sure I saw Direct Energy in Southcentre with a popup stand advertising a 5 year fixed at 7.79kwh...i can't remember when mine is up, but i think i locked at 6.99kwh a while back

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    DE is just shady marketing. It’s 7.77 cents for 4-5 months then you’re locked in at 11 or 12 cents for the rest of the years.

    I’m still on team floating though. Rates are falling now

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    Quote Originally Posted by pheoxs View Post
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    Floating power is my opinion. Rates have fallen a lot and the pool price is in the 3-4 cent range so floating should be able to continue falling to <6 cents by Sept. There's also a lot of supply coming online with Cascade 1/2 is finally pushing full output but not 24/7 yet, but soon. Genesee #2 will be back online and coal free in the next couple weeks. So all indications electricity will continue to fall.
    Quoted from enmax thread for @pheoxs
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