UCP pronouns trans surgery MEGATHREAD

[ExtraSlow]

Kert, the scenario you've described is possible. Almost certainly has happened.

[Misterman]

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Also, snipped from a different thread from last year, here's some of my personal thoughts and experiences on the topic.


From what I know, doctors aren't handing out hormone therapy drugs,.

They are in the US. And the slippery slope we are currently on, is how we get to that point in the first place. So it's great to see a political leader trying to do something more than nothing about this subject.

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If you find out a child is being mentally and physically abused, do you think it’s more likely to be their teacher doing the abusing, or the family? How many teachers send kids to gay conversion therapy? Kids aren’t required to tell their teachers anything, why would they feel more comfortable talking to a teacher than their parents?

Nothing is stopping parents from having a conversation with their kids. Nothing is stopping parents from ensuring the language and attitude they use around their kids doesn’t make them feel like they wouldn’t be supportive.

It’s not a presumption that teachers are better equipped, or even less dangerous. The government didn’t require anybody to tell teachers anything. There was a natural progression to certain people not wanting their parents to know for whatever reason.

Put yourself in a teacher’s position. Your kid’s friend comes over and says they’re afraid their parents will kick them out if they find out they’re gay. They’ve gone to anti-LGBT protests, they say they’d beat gay people up, the kid is scared.theyve been over to your house all the time, you’ve been kind to them, you are somebody they trust, and feeling helpless they’ve opened up to you.

Now that you’ve been told, should you now be required to tell that kid’s parents about it? Does the lack of legislation requiring you to tell them presume you are less dangerous and better equipped than their parents? Do you think government legislation requiring you to do it would ensure the best outcome for the child in this situation?

This isn't what the legislation is even about. So wtf are you talking about?

[gwill]

Kurt's "teacher" earning the trust of kids always coming over to his house sounds like a pedophile in action.

Assuming he's not, any normal parent would reach out to the other parent. Open that line of communication. That's called being a responsible parent.

[kertejud2]

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Kert, the scenario you've described is possible. Almost certainly has happened.

And stuff like it is happening enough in schools that the government needs to get involved.

Good things happen when the government makes legislation about something, right?

[killramos]

Maybe our education system should spend more time teaching math and less time on social experiments.

[arcticcat522]

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Maybe our education system should spend more time teaching math and less time on social experiments.

Bingo^^

[Sugarphreak]

Nice to see common sense win out against the woke left once in a while

[kertejud2]

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Maybe our education system should spend more time teaching math and less time on social experiments.

Less time for math when you need to make sure you’re following government directives on disclosing pronouns to parents.

[kertejud2]

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How does this stop Jimmy from talking to teachers and counselors? Does Jimmy have to change his name or pronouns to talk to them? No it doesn't whatsoever. The new rules is for kids that want to fully come out publicly in school, with a bunch of fucking asshole kids. School is not a safe space to keep secrets from your parents, full stop. Maybe I'm jaded because I was bullied growing up, and helping some of my kids navigate bullying, but kids are fucking assholes. If my kid comes out at school without telling me, I sure would love to know so we can work out the ramifications of it and how to navigate their new normal.


Not all parents are good, but it's not my place or your place to judge them. People have a freedom to chose what values to push on their kids. That is not for you or I to decide. If a shitty parent want to exclude their kids from LGBT/sex ed curriculum, they should have a right to. Again, parents are responsible and legally liable for the kids. You can't cherry pick what you can share with parents and what to exclude. That's unfair to parents that DO want this information about their children, regardless if you agree with it or not.


It can go both ways. Maybe my kid's not sure if I'm full of shit or not. A notification would open up dialog between us about acceptance.

Acceptance so long as it doesn't interfere with parental rights to not have acceptance, anyway.

Seems clear if your kids think you're full of shit, it's because you are. 'School is not a safe space to keep secrets from your parents' and 'it's not for you or I to decide if a shitty parent wants to exclude their kids from LGBT/sex ed curriculum' are not compatible statements. How would it stop Jimmy from talking to teachers and counselors? Because before they could trust if they asked to not have their parents told about it they could believe it to be true. Now they have to worry that if they talk to teachers or counselors the government mandates will explicitly out them.

Nothing is stopping a parent, shitty or otherwise, from having conversations or opening up dialogues between parents and their kids. You shouldn't need the government to notify you about the need for one. If you do, it's because you're a shitty parent.

[Misterman]

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Acceptance so long as it doesn't interfere with parental rights to not have acceptance, anyway.

Seems clear if your kids think you're full of shit, it's because you are. 'School is not a safe space to keep secrets from your parents' and 'it's not for you or I to decide if a shitty parent wants to exclude their kids from LGBT/sex ed curriculum' are not compatible statements. How would it stop Jimmy from talking to teachers and counselors? Because before they could trust if they asked to not have their parents told about it they could believe it to be true. Now they have to worry that if they talk to teachers or counselors the government mandates will explicitly out them.

Nothing is stopping a parent, shitty or otherwise, from having conversations or opening up dialogues between parents and their kids. You shouldn't need the government to notify you about the need for one. If you do, it's because you're a shitty parent.

No. The only reason they need to "worry" about their parents being told, is if they're attention seeking little shits that demand teachers call them ze/zher

[davidI]

Sounds like a reasonable solution to this health crisis.

[ExtraSlow]

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And stuff like it is happening enough in schools that the government needs to get involved.

Is it? That's the hard part for me to wrap my head around. How much is it happening? Like I said, I don't think reliable statistics exist for this, so we are left with anecdotes, which can be misleading both ways.

[rage2]

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No. The only reason they need to "worry" about their parents being told, is if they're attention seeking little shits that demand teachers call them ze/zher

Yup. It sounds like @kertejud2 is a little lost. I’ll post a summary of the pronoun name change for reference:

The changes include requiring parental consent for students 15 and under who want to change their names or pronouns at school. Students 16 and 17 would not need consent, but their parents must be notified.

[ExtraSlow]

What's neat is that even with parental permission, forms being signed, meetings with school administrators, there are some teachers who refuse to use different names and pronouns. That can be pretty frustrating.

Like I said, not all teachers are great, or inclusive. I don't personally think as a group they are any more trustworthy or reliable than parents.

[Thaco]

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Is it? That's the hard part for me to wrap my head around. How much is it happening? Like I said, I don't think reliable statistics exist for this, so we are left with anecdotes, which can be misleading both ways.

that's the fun part about hypocrisy, when the covid deniers were squacking that "only 1 % of the world is dying, why do i have to wear a mask and distance and get the vax" and now they're like "1% of teens want to use pronouns that i dont like, it doesnt effect me, and it's just words, but it's taking OVeR ThE WoRLd!@@!@@"

[Ca_Silvia13]

Watched the news on this last night and they mentioned how this new legislation will be contested, potentially at a Federal level. And i just cannot fathom why anyone would oppose these new rules to pursue a court challenge. No one says Jimmy can't change his pronouns. The new rules do not stop anyone who wishes to identify as something other then their biological sex. Just tell you parents. Don't lie about it, have the conversation. If people in those situations are worried about getting their ass beat by Mom and Dad who don't agree, we already have laws for that.

I think everyone would agree not staying in an abusive situation is better for any child's development and if the opposite side of this conversation is lying about to keep the peace in the house. Well that's not beneficial to either child or parents in the long term either.

[jutes]

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This type of discussion being a priority in society is a leading indicator of impending WW3.

It all comes down to this. Our society is spoiled where people are effectively bored so they come up with issues to fill their time with. Arguing about nonsensical crap like this. World wars tend to reset things and we start to worry about things that do matter.

[Tik-Tok]

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It all comes down to this. Our society is spoiled where people are effectively bored so they come up with issues to fill their time with. Arguing about nonsensical crap like this. World wars tend to reset things and we start to worry about things that do matter.

We don't need war for that. Overpopulation, water shortages, and food scarcity will take care of that.

[killramos]

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We don't need war for that. Overpopulation, water shortages, and food scarcity will take care of that.

It’s funny that you think those things won’t mean war

[gwill]

On the radio this morning Breckenridge stated they'll talk about the parental rights issue. He made the claim the ucp will ban abortions next.

What a douche.