UCP pronouns trans surgery MEGATHREAD

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There is only two fucking genders, period. This should be the only thing taught in schools.

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What's a puberty blocker, why is it used and by whom?

Sounds like a pedo's wet dream.

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These voters with their mental illnesses will support Trudeau no matter what, so PP doesn't have to pander to them.

Not sure why they need to stir the hornet nest tho.

But I also don't think delaying gender identity stuff until after 18 isn't a bad idea. Teenage years are confusing as is.

Once you lived long enough and still think nature done you dirty, go thru the transfer.

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FWIW, puberty blockers were originally created to treat precocious puberty, which is a rare condition where children undergo puberty way too early and it can cause a lot of debilitating problems. It's only recently they were prescribed for gender identity issues.

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There is only two fucking genders

This is true, the other genders have lost their ability to fuck.

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I think it's worth pointing out to date there hasn't been a single under 18 that's received bottom surgery in Alberta. Our current health mechanisms already prevent that regardless of this new law. There also has only been two dozen people under 18 (over 16) in each of the past two years that received top surgery. Given that it already requires parental consent, multiple healthcare professionals being involved, and no provincial funding so it's a paid out of pocket surgery it seems our existing mechanisms are adequate IMO. Our province is up to 4.5 million people now, it's not unthinkable there will be a few cases where it's genuinely in the best interest of the child to go along that route but that's up to the kid, their parents, and the medical professionals to make those calls.

Also worth pointing out that gender affirming care in youths almost always means social and psychological care. It's already quite rare for any medications to come into the picture and generally only after a number of other steps. Reading this thread it feels like some people misunderstand the situation and think that kids are being handed meds in a bowl of candies.

Since 17-year-old Seelie Romard of Sydney, N.S., first started seeking gender-affirming treatment in 2021, he says he's visited a pediatrician, a physician who specializes in gender care, and a psychologist — all before being put on a waitlist for testosterone.

"It took a really long time … just to make sure that I was, like, OK mentally, that I was in the right place, that I was informed," Seelie said.

All that being said, if a clinic is found to be skirting our healthcare guidelines and providing care that is against our regulations I do fully support them revoking their licenses and suing them into the ground for malpractice. We should fully enforce all the regulations to ensure they are being followed. That is an important distinction.

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I shared data earlier in the thread that listed much larger surgeries for those under 18. Thought it was around 67 or so kids in the last 12 months.

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I shared data earlier in the thread that listed much larger surgeries for those under 18. Thought it was around 67 or so kids in the last 12 months.

I could be mistake in that case. I used the info from here:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...re-guidelines/

Medical care providers argue it’s a moot point: Very few of their younger patients seek out gender-affirming top surgery, for which no specific billing code exists in Alberta. “Top surgery for youth under 18 is already not funded by the province,” said Simone Lebeuf, an adolescent medicine specialist in Edmonton.

In 2022, 26 Albertans younger than 18 years old received top surgery and in 2023, 23 Albertans younger than 18 years received top surgery, according to the Alberta health ministry. Alberta Health does not track whether these surgeries are related to gender identity or for medical reasons, such as cancer or breast reduction due to pain.

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"Smith incorrectly suggests that parental rejection of 2SLGBTQIA+ kids is rare.

According to a Canadian study by the Family Acceptance Project, 30 per cent of families reject their child when they come out, and many are removed from their homes.

Among youth who are homeless, 20 per cent identify as 2SLGBTQIA+.

For those who experience family rejection, the rates of suicide are incredibly high.

According to the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey, 79 per cent of those rejected by their families experienced suicidal ideation and 43 per cent have made a suicide attempt."

https://theconversation.com/albertas...vidence-222579

How many of these children have other mental health issues, at times resorting to violence or substance abuse, that are likely the main reason for getting kicked out of their homes? I highly doubt those numbers are purely because of coming out, especially nowadays.

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Another significant benefit of the school we chose is keeping them away from woke policy changes.

If my kid wants to go to public school and be a part of genpop when they get to late jr high/high school, I'll absolutely encourage it. But at least for the early years, I want to make sure they have great support if they need it, and reduce the chance they get brainwashed with whatever woke garbage is popular in a given week.

Don't worry, they teach the same woke garbage in private schools.

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Poilievre comes out and says he's against puberty blockers for those under 18. I swear the federal conservatives just love to make it easy to be divisive and make the left leaners move left.
It's not like he was going to lose conservative votes by just avoiding the topic and keeping to the 'province deals with provincial things'.

This isn't nearly as divisive as you think. The large majority agree with the CPC on this.

In fact, having the LPC take the opposite stance will move votes to the CPC.

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I could be mistake in that case. I used the info from here:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...re-guidelines/

So if it's so moot, then what's the big deal with these laws?

Anyhow, chopping off your tits when you're young is a gigantic, gigantic mistake.

[OTown]

Something the 'kids are dying' crowd are forgetting is that, even if they end up going through the entire process and get surgery, their risk of suicide is still incredibly high. Its not like surgery cures all issues, if anything it can in cases make it worse (ie regret, etc)

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0016885

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Where are the therapists psychologists psychiatrists etc in all this

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Poilievre comes out and says he's against puberty blockers for those under 18. I swear the federal conservatives just love to make it easy to be divisive and make the left leaners move left.
It's not like he was going to lose conservative votes by just avoiding the topic and keeping to the 'province deals with provincial things'.

The left echo chamber circle jerk has completely deluded itself into thinking the policies aren’t widely popular.

The Liberals and NDP making gender ideology a hill to die on is going to lose them a lot of elections

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Where are the therapists psychologists psychiatrists etc in all this

It’s pretty fucking obvious IMO that it’s a mental fucking issue.

Shitty parents, shitty environment, trauma, something has fucked with people who want to self harm themselves, change their gender, etc. it’s pretty fucking sad, and even more sad that we have government bodies who support this bullshit.

The human brain isn’t even fully developed till you are 25, like holy fuck.

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https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...adian-children

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It’s pretty fucking obvious IMO that it’s a mental fucking issue.

Shitty parents, shitty environment, trauma, something has fucked with people who want to self harm themselves, change their gender, etc. it’s pretty fucking sad, and even more sad that we have government bodies who support this bullshit.

The human brain isn’t even fully developed till you are 25, like holy fuck.

you make it seem so simple

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https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...adian-children

idk for sure but i am pretty sure i have 3 younger transmen customers who have gone through the procedures. all 3 were ellen page petite size. i still seem them here and there but i just hope they are happy. i have quite a few lbgtqia regulars in general.

my gf is big in the community and has shared a lot of stuff i never really thought about and has changed my views on it a bit.

there's quite a process you go through before the gender affirming surgery stuff gets done.

you can live however you want, pronouns, gender, styles, fluidity etc. and no harm should be done to you whatsoever, crime is crime

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Id love to see an overlay graph of the rise of "trans" kids vs. participation trophies.

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You'd seriously fuck up your adult development by taking something like this.

Kind of the point… taking puberty impacting drugs after puberty probably works really poorly..

[Maxx Mazda]

If kids want to change their gender, the parents should be getting them treatment for their mental illness. Why don’t we remove the stigma and treat it as the illness it is?

[89coupe]

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If kids want to change their gender, the parents should be getting them treatment for their mental illness. Why don’t we remove the stigma and treat it as the illness it is?

If kids are wanting to change gender you have to question the parenting, seriously.

Children are very influenced by how they are raised.

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Where are the therapists psychologists psychiatrists etc in all this

Look at it this way.....The average cost of divorce in Canada is $50k.
Do you see any divorce lawyers on payday see speaking out against marriage...?


I want to share a different perspective on this.
There are two types of aggression, direct and passive. The latter takes longer. There are extreme sides of the spectrum to this but this is the non extreme side.

Inferring doubt in a child's mind and identity to a point they are confused and don't know what is real is called grooming. Period. We look at the end product of what child molesters or those that harm children physically mentally. We never look at the slow steps or stages before that. That is what this is.
Not understanding masculinity and suppressing a child(male)able to channel and direct it in a positive way is one form of passive aggression.

A child may not get surgery, but till they are 18. The institutions may sprinkle sprinkle and infer doubt so inside the childs mind. So once the child does reach age of consent. They are convinced they need surgery. There is another word for this. Genital mutilation.
Back in the day the government would do this to you. Today they groom and convince you to do it yourself and surround you with advocates, supporters and ally's.

Or at this point the young adult is so mentally unstable that a groomer can do what they want to them as the young adult is at their most venerable and without the parents, they are doomed. They are at the mercy of the predator.

First they take away your guns. Or in the case of our society the ability to obtain one. Then they come after your family and children. In this case they pollute the mind of the most vulnerable(the child) with indoctrination, false ideas and victimhood.
Weaken the men, kill the children and then for a generation have nobody to rise up against you. The females cannot reproduce the boys who will become the men to protect the village.

They slowly take away all the basics we need as a species to raise a family. Food, water, shelter and the community (the village).

This is not a new thing. Read the history books before they are banned and burned.
Indira Gandi was having the population forced into sterilization under the guise of population control in the 1970s.
Today its comes under the guise of the 'Kert's' trying to 'protect' Jimmy from religious parents.

What is the different between a CHOMO, groomer or a hard blue haired advocate on trans rights? Ask yourself that. The only difference is where they sit on that spectrum and type of aggression used.

I don't think trans, gay people are victims, weird or odd. They are like you and me. I don't really care what they are. I love them all. Live your life but do no harm to others.
History, arts and culture around the world has them. Its nothing new.

I think in north America this community is being attacked and hijacked by a dark ideology that has nothing to do with trans or gay people rights but pitting us all against each other.

This is predatory grooming. I draw the line here. Leave the kids alone.