New Mercedes Vehicles

[riander5]

With all the new Mercs coming out (full lineup refresh since currenty cars suck so much?) this could be mega... just saw this new E53. Pretty god damn nice looking car to be honest. Will it be 9000 lb and shit to drive? Unknown. A certain beyond member (founder?!?) seems to love the 53 variants.

[rage2]

The 53's were the first "fat" cars. Basically the jump from E43 (V6 non hybrid) to E53 (I6 Hybrid) saw the weight jump 200 lbs from 4150lbs to 4350lbs due to hybrid pieces in the drivetrain. My E53 cab is an even bigger pig, at 4550lbs. The new E53 shouldn't jump much more in weight in comparison to the car it replaces as its carryover drivetrain.

That said, I don't track my cars anymore. 4600lb pig is perfectly fine for the street. I'll still pull >1g in corners in the summer using PS4S tires. Really, the downside to the weight would mostly be in consumables such as tires and brakes, although I have noticed brakes to last longer because of mild hybrid.

The real big pigs will be the 63's, adding a whopping 650lbs with the E performance drivetrain which will bring the E63 to around 5000lbs. That F1 battery, motor and turbo weighs a lot. Will it be a pig to drive? On the track, it'll suck 100%. Can't hide that weight. As a street car? I think it'll be just fine flying through on and off ramps. Just be prepared to buy a lot of tires. Brakes should be OK, the E performance platform will rarely use physical brakes as it can harvest energy from the majority of street braking.

TL;DR - these cars are all too heavy and be shitty on the track. They'll be just fine and fun to drive on the street.

edit - everyone is going down this path. The new M5 hybrid is also going to be a pig at 5400lbs. Lots of options out there coming down the pipe.

[riander5]

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The 53's were the first "fat" cars. Basically the jump from E43 (V6 non hybrid) to E53 (I6 Hybrid) saw the weight jump 200 lbs from 4150lbs to 4350lbs due to hybrid pieces in the drivetrain. My E53 cab is an even bigger pig, at 4550lbs. The new E53 shouldn't jump much more in weight in comparison to the car it replaces as its carryover drivetrain.

That said, I don't track my cars anymore. 4600lb pig is perfectly fine for the street. I'll still pull >1g in corners in the summer using PS4S tires. Really, the downside to the weight would mostly be in consumables such as tires and brakes, although I have noticed brakes to last longer because of mild hybrid.

The real big pigs will be the 63's, adding a whopping 650lbs with the E performance drivetrain which will bring the E63 to around 5000lbs. That F1 battery, motor and turbo weighs a lot. Will it be a pig to drive? On the track, it'll suck 100%. Can't hide that weight. As a street car? I think it'll be just fine flying through on and off ramps. Just be prepared to buy a lot of tires. Brakes should be OK, the E performance platform will rarely use physical brakes as it can harvest energy from the majority of street braking.

TL;DR - these cars are all too heavy and be shitty on the track. They'll be just fine and fun to drive on the street.

edit - everyone is going down this path. The new M5 hybrid is also going to be a pig at 5400lbs. Lots of options out there coming down the pipe.

Yea, these aren't track cars. Which is great, since we don't even have an f'in track.

So do you think you'll be looking at one of these new ones?

[dirtsniffer]

BMW could learn a thing or two in the styling department.

[riander5]

Mercedes CLE coupe? What the hell is this thing?! It looks sweet!

[killramos]

wtf are those rims lol

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BMW could learn a thing or two in the styling department.

I wish we could get BMW drivetrains in a Mercedes body. That would be awesome.

[riander5]

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wtf are those rims lol

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I wish we could get BMW drivetrains in a Mercedes body. That would be awesome.

Honestly look like Brabus rims. Im sure it will have a more normal option

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Yea, these aren't track cars. Which is great, since we don't even have an f'in track.

So do you think you'll be looking at one of these new ones?

Yea, eyeing the CLE as shown below.

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Mercedes CLE coupe? What the hell is this thing?! It looks sweet!

C and E class lost their coupe and cabriolets. The new combined coupe and cabriolet is the CLE class, that's what this thing is. From 53 and above it gets a wide body treatment as shown in this pic. There's a 63 coming as well (supposedly) with the P3 F1 hybrid setup and 700hp.

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wtf are those rims lol

Those rims have been around since the 53. MB is doing everything they can to make those the premium wheels. I'm not a fan either.

[bjstare]

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Those rims have been around since the 53. MB is doing everything they can to make those the premium wheels. I'm not a fan either.

Monoblocks or bust. Although tbh I don't mind those wheels. Seems like busy wheel designs are trendy these days.

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If the marvel character Venom needed rims it would be those ones.

[benyl]

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Monoblocks or bust. Although tbh I don't mind those wheels. Seems like busy wheel designs are trendy these days.

I like the concavity of the rear, but yes, 5 spoke monoblocks FTW.

That CLE63 is going to be $150K CAD at least.

[riander5]

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I like the concavity of the rear, but yes, 5 spoke monoblocks FTW.

That CLE63 is going to be $150K CAD at least.

Downside of Mercedes.. their pricing is totally fucked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrZMGZ2MoCE

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Was it a currency issue or something that caused the merc prices to spike? Like a loaded C43 is now ~$95k which is M3/RS5 money.

[killramos]

Where are you buying M3 for under a hundred grand in 2024?

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Downside of Mercedes.. their pricing is totally fucked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrZMGZ2MoCE

The upside with the CLE is that it's a replacement for both C coupe/cab and E coupe/cab, but in reality car wise it's a E coupe/cab replacement, being the same size as the outgoing E. Pricing wise, it's somewhere in between the C and E, so that it's not a massive sticker shock for people going from C to CLE. So far only 1 price has been released, the CLE300 4matic coupe at $56,500 start. In comparison, the old C300 coupe started at $55,000, while the cheapest E class (E350 sedan) started at $63,300. For us going from E -> CLE, it *should* be cheaper. All depends on what comes standard/options available. Check all the boxes, and list @Buster says, the CLE63 will probably be a $150k car in convertible trim.

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Was it a currency issue or something that caused the merc prices to spike? Like a loaded C43 is now ~$95k which is M3/RS5 money.

Lower production from Covid, spike in demand because people had silly spending power, dealers were making stupid money with market adjustment fees, so MB raised prices to take their cut. Everything started going back to normal, but can't lower MSRP now. Instead cars are discounted with massive trunk money. SL's, G wagons seeing 50k+ discounts which is hilarious.

[Inzane]

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Those rims have been around since the 53. MB is doing everything they can to make those the premium wheels. I'm not a fan either.

They look like they'd be a bitch to clean as well.

[riander5]

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They look like they'd be a bitch to clean as well.

*scoffs*

You don't clean your own wheels with a CLE AMG pal

[rage2]

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They look like they'd be a bitch to clean as well.

That’s why I hate them.

[schocker]

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Where are you buying M3 for under a hundred grand in 2024?

I'm just talking msrp to msrp.

[bjstare]

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Was it a currency issue or something that caused the merc prices to spike? Like a loaded C43 is now ~$95k which is M3/RS5 money.

An M3 hasn't been $95k for like 5 years now