Paternity leave

[SKR]

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If a place punished you for taking the paternity/maternity leave they they offer, I wouldn't want to work there.

I'd be interested to know what other parts of their compensation people are willing to give back to protect their chances at career advancement.

[killramos]

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Do you think 1 person is singularly important enough that the company can't manage without them in the big scheme of things? Are there exceptions to this? Absolutely but generally speaking? Nah

“Manage” is an expensive word in this context.

Pretending it’s not is just keeping your head in the sand.

[JfuckinC]

depends on the size of the company, we are small, if someone left for 3 months we'd be fucked lol If someone left Wood for three months no one would notice cause everyone there is fucking useless anyway

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

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That actually happened to me when my daughter was born... I just had quit a job with a chain tire store who bought the independent I was working for, I called up a friend who owned a company and he hired me on the spot. I was supposed to start that Monday and my wife went into labour at like 2:00am that morning so I never showed up as I was in the hospital and the birth was troublesome.

I called him at 10:00am apologizing and explained what was going on and he said to take the next couple weeks off paid and we will just call it my first two weeks of vacation (this was before paternity was available for dads to take). I always appreciated that!

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This... It isn't punishment really to acknowledge that certain positions require a specific individual whose presence is critical to proper operations.

If I work at a company, where my presence is so critical that I can't take a few months off, then they better be paying me in the 7 digit range, of they'll have 7 digit losses when I leave.

[brucebanner]

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“Manage” is an expensive word in this context.

Pretending it’s not is just keeping your head in the sand.

Situation dependent

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depends on the size of the company, we are small, if someone left for 3 months we'd be fucked lol If someone left Wood for three months no one would notice cause everyone there is fucking useless anyway

This is probably a more important factor. In my case, my role was backfilled while I was gone the second time but our team is small and it was pretty much required. On other teams, people were not backfilled as their team was big enough they could make it work.

So, I stick by my general statement. Of course there are exceptions.

[tirebob]

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Do you think 1 person is singularly important enough that the company can't manage without them in the big scheme of things? Are there exceptions to this? Absolutely but generally speaking? Nah

In management, sales, specialized knowledge etc it is very common actually, especially in smaller companies where there is less/no crossover of knowledge and able bodies. If you are a peon, or you simply do not care about your work enough that it is a worry then certainly you are right, but again, it always depends on the situation and only the person in question can decide what is best for them and their career.

Just blanket saying a company is shit because they are not in a position to balance this aspect and you should just quit if they don't like it is short sited and may in fact make life more difficult for not only the new parent but also the other employees lives who have to cover for them and well as the company as a whole. It is all about balancing what is best in your specific situation.

[Hallowed_point]

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Do you think 1 person is singularly important enough that the company can't manage without them in the big scheme of things? Are there exceptions to this? Absolutely but generally speaking? Nah

Yes, they are called Engineers.

[bjstare]

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depends on the size of the company, we are small, if someone left for 3 months we'd be fucked lol If someone left Wood for three months no one would notice cause everyone there is fucking useless anyway

Yeah it's impossible to make an accurate overarching statement. The answer changes based on the size of company, industry, resourcing strategy, etc etc etc. Every single company is different, and the person considering taking the time off should have a pretty good idea about how feasible it is, and how much of an impact it will/won't have.

[Tik-Tok]

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Our boy was born in the beginning of January, I took 2 months off work. Wish I could have taken way more to be honest, it's a very special time you'll never get back.
When you're 80 years old you'd probably give up almost anything to travel back in time and spend a day with your baby when they were a new born.

I feel the opposite. I barely remember anything from the first year except a blob that slept, cried, shit, and sucked the life out of my wifes tits.

Spending time with a kid over two years old though, that's definitely valuable memories for both of you. Even looking at photos of my daughter when she was 6 months is a big "meh", but that time we put her built her tricycle "together" when she was 3? Or me reading to her while we were hanging out on the hammock? Fucking priceless.

[jabjab]

The company I work at has over 11,000 employees between Canada and the United States. The group I'm is working on a specialized project. I'm the main person doing the day to day on it while the supervisor works on the transition itself. We recently hired a sr specialist in the group for back up. This person isn't fully caught up to speed but could probably fill in for a few months. I just don't want to burden Co workers

[JfuckinC]

why not take Pat leave but accept calls and meetings? take the time but don't leave them high and dry.

[jabjab]

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why not take Pat leave but accept calls and meetings? take the time but don't leave them high and dry.

That's a not bad idea, I'd be good with that kind of compromise

[darthVWader]

Tell work you're taking the 3 months. Tell the wife you're taking 3 weeks. Enjoy your free time

[SKR]

Am I wrong in thinking that companies that offer 3 months leave, and companies that have to hang a for sale sign on the door if someone leaves for 3 months, don't really overlap all that much?

[ThePenIsMightier]

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Tell work you're taking the 3 months. Tell the wife you're taking 3 weeks. Enjoy your free time

#PowerPlay

[JRSC00LUDE]

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Am I wrong in thinking that companies that offer 3 months leave, and companies that have to hang a for sale sign on the door if someone leaves for 3 months, don't really overlap all that much?

This.

Don't offer it if you can't honour it or, won't honour it in good faith.

[ExtraSlow]

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I'd be interested to know what other parts of their compensation people are willing to give back to protect their chances at career advancement.

Tell them you don't want your bonus too....

[g-m]

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I feel the opposite. I barely remember anything from the first year except a blob that slept, cried, shit, and sucked the life out of my wifes tits.

Spending time with a kid over two years old though, that's definitely valuable memories for both of you. Even looking at photos of my daughter when she was 6 months is a big "meh", but that time we put her built her tricycle "together" when she was 3? Or me reading to her while we were hanging out on the hammock? Fucking priceless.

I'm with you. I can't imagine anyone actually enjoying that first month(s). I'm firmly convinced that anyone who says they enjoyed it are either lying or have some cultural thing where it needs to be perceived that way.

I can't explain it. I dreaded coming home from work. That said I'm taking 1 month of parental leave in May and going to Crete with the family. The little guy will be 7-8 months or so and that'll be awesome. But sitting at home with a screaming leech? No thanks.

[schurchill39]

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I'm with you. I can't imagine anyone actually enjoying that first month(s). I'm firmly convinced that anyone who says they enjoyed it are either lying or have some cultural thing where it needs to be perceived that way.

I can't explain it. I dreaded coming home from work. That said I'm taking 1 month of parental leave in May and going to Crete with the family. The little guy will be 7-8 months or so and that'll be awesome. But sitting at home with a screaming leech? No thanks.

I thought the first month was fucking awesome. It got better when they were older for sure but I wouldn't have traded that first month for anything. My daughter was born March 15, 2020 the day before the world shut down for covid and because I was a consultant at the time I effectively got 4 months off at home with my family and it was the best. Am white, have no culture... maybe I'm more of an exception than the norm though so

[Xtrema]

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#PowerPlay

Until getting busted on a Christmas party down the road.

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There were 2 people I know from my work who would work while on vacation and 1 of them was someone who carried alot of knowledge in his department but still got laid off. I've been through two lay off cycles here and decisions are made at a high enough level level that they let go people that they don't even know what their day to day is. In a large company that's how it works, mid sized to smaller firms I can see your point about effecting your career

Value is what's brought to the table relative to cost. If management thinks they can do without the expertise due to cost, off they go.