Norway more EV than Gasoline

[ZenOps]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx25ljxpygeo

"Of the 2.8 million private cars registered there, 754,303 are now all-electric, compared with 753,905 that run on petrol, according to new figures from the Norwegian Road Federation. The Nordic country of 5.5 million people is aiming to become the first nation to end the sale of new petrol and diesel cars - by 2025"

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx25ljxpygeo

"Of the 2.8 million private cars registered there, 754,303 are now all-electric, compared with 753,905 that run on petrol, according to new figures from the Norwegian Road Federation. The Nordic country of 5.5 million people is aiming to become the first nation to end the sale of new petrol and diesel cars - by 2025"

So what’s the deal with the remaining 1.3m cars? Hybrids? That seems like a huge number.

[ExtraSlow]

Diesel?

[ZenOps]

Pretty sure diesel and hybrids. Noone did hydrogen, but maybe some propane. Semi-trucks still haven't made the switch.

[rage2]

Right. Kinda stupid and misleading that they’d separate out diesel lol.

[phreezee]

They paid all of those EV subsidies with oil money.

[msommers]

I mean good for them, at least their government has the brainpower to know they have an in-demand resources and actually sell the damn thing.

[ExtraSlow]

Using resource revenue for a wealth fund is so hot right now.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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I mean good for them, at least their government has the brainpower to know they have an in-demand resources and actually sell the damn thing.

I can see why msommers is this cat:

[davidI]

I spent a couple of months in the Arctic Circle of Norway this Summer and enjoyed watching people waiting at the few charging stations they have. Most people drove ICE vehicles - many of whom have as a second vehicle in addition to their electrics (which, from an environmental perspective, defeats the entire pollution savings of the electric).

It was interesting hearing how things actually work in Norway. It's held out by North Americans as some Socialist Utopia but the reality is that there's a ton of corruption, people get rich off Government contracts, most people live basic lives, and the only reason the system works at all is from oil money and a small population.

That said, it reminded me a lot of the Canada I grew up in (where I was in the North) and I plan to return and perhaps even take an ownership interest in the Lodge I was helping out at.

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They paid all of those EV subsidies with oil money.

Don't get high on your own supply.

[bjstare]

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Right. Kinda stupid and misleading that they’d separate out diesel lol.

Journalists gonna journal.

[Xtrema]

It worked for Norway because VAT on cars is like 25% and BEV skips it. Everybody switched.

Now VAT is back on BEVs over 500k nok which means it'll be a boon for Chinese BEVs that can continuously be under that bar.

They are doing this transition right but they have way more ammo than any typical low tax western countries.

[ZenOps]

What I found amazing is that they didn't really need that much of a grid upgrade. Realistically all you have to do is give a 3 cent per kwh incentive to charge at home at level 2 between midnight and 7 am. Of which most EVs will be charged to 80% from zero.

Depending on size of nation, not many people actually use L3 unless they are crossing borders. A L2 topup at work or meal break seems to suffice for many.

[jonni44]

As someone who just demo'd a full EV for the past week I can tell you the tech and infrastructure in Western Canada is simply not there yet to have a full EV as your only vehicle which defeats the purpose of having an EV in the first place.

Fun fact for anyone who cares (on this site its not many), charging stations advertised as level 2 and level 3 can reduce their power to level 1 and level 2 without notice and continue to charge you the same per minute fee.

Example 1: On Tuesday I paid $22 to charge 25% in 1 hour at level 2. On Thursday at the same charging station (Behind the National at West Hills), it dropped to level 1 about 20 minutes in but I was still charged 0.40 cents/minute so I ended up paying $25 for 3% charge. It also generously calculated for me how long it would take for a full charge and the price (1260 minutes and $504 for 22% as I started at 78%).

Example 2: On Sunday I paid $50 to charge at Metro Ford, the first half hour was at level 3 and I went from 17% to 70% however, the second half hour dropped to level 2 so I only gained 20% in that second half hour but it charged me the same fee as the first half hour.

This past week I spent approximately $130 total to charge the EV multiple times which is almost what a tank of premium costs these days. My EV would not have had the range to go any great distance without needing a charge and there is no guarantee that you would find a full level 3 charging station.

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As someone who just demo'd a full EV for the past week I can tell you the tech and infrastructure in Western Canada is simply not there yet to have a full EV as your only vehicle which defeats the purpose of having an EV in the first place.

Fun fact for anyone who cares (on this site its not many), charging stations advertised as level 2 and level 3 can reduce their power to level 1 and level 2 without notice and continue to charge you the same per minute fee.

Example 1: On Tuesday I paid $22 to charge 25% in 1 hour at level 2. On Thursday at the same charging station (Behind the National at West Hills), it dropped to level 1 about 20 minutes in but I was still charged 0.40 cents/minute so I ended up paying $25 for 3% charge. It also generously calculated for me how long it would take for a full charge and the price (1260 minutes and $504 for 22% as I started at 78%).

Example 2: On Sunday I paid $50 to charge at Metro Ford, the first half hour was at level 3 and I went from 17% to 70% however, the second half hour dropped to level 2 so I only gained 20% in that second half hour but it charged me the same fee as the first half hour.

This past week I spent approximately $130 total to charge the EV multiple times which is almost what a tank of premium costs these days. My EV would not have had the range to go any great distance without needing a charge and there is no guarantee that you would find a full level 3 charging station.

Don't treat EV like ICE cars. I made the same mistake before.

#1, pre condition. You want to warm up your battery before showing up to chargers for optimal charge speed.

#2, unless you need all the range to get to next charger, you should not charge past 80%. 10-70% may take 20min, 70-100% may take 40mins. Charging speed slows when it's cold, but also slows when it's hot or almost full.


Yes public charger sux. But you never need one unless you leave town. They are expensive but home charging is dirt cheap.

BEV is all about charging at home. If you can't, it's hard to live with.

[npham]

I would go one step further and say if you don't have another ICE car, a L2 charger in your garage at home, then you should not be buying an EV in Canada.

[riander5]

What if I told you guys... They make cars with both daily EV range AND an engine for longer trips

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What if I told you guys... They make cars with both daily EV range AND an engine for longer trips

What devilry is this?

[riander5]

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What devilry is this?

The Devilry that allows toyota to charge you either
a) your soul
or
b) $80k

For a rav4