Building a 13 Second Drag Car, help me.

**jbell** · 10-06-2002, 09:27 PM

what would you do.

background
i have the goal of a car that runs 13.9 or faster, and it reliable to the point where it can be a daily driver.

why this is so hard
i want to do it for under the ammount listed under the pic of the car.

why not a bike/mustang/f-body
bike- sorry. not till im not living where i am.
mustang- there are like 30 (literaly) here that run 11. dime a dozen? yes.
f-body- sorry. i just dont like them.

the contestants

crx
available funds - $3000
car $900
a B18 swap $1700.
$1400 will go toward other mods. I can port everything with a router.
(sport compact pulled 13's with street tires and n/a, no nitrous, nothing. if i use n2o, i can hit 12.9)

2nd easiest, by far.

fiero
available funds - $3000
car $800
caddy v8, 4.9l, 200hp, 275lb/torque swap $2000
$200 will go toward exhaust and intake. I can port everything with a router.

hardest, by far.

talon
available funds - $3000
car $2000
ACT 6 puck clutch disk $65
home made boost controller $10
Autometer boost gauge $30
GReddy EGT gauge $150
cutout $100
K+N filter $40

easiest, less reliable.

240z (yes thats a 240 and not a 280)
available funds - $3500
car $1000
sr20det (200+hp) swap $2000
supporting parts $500

mid difficulty, reliable. style

thoughts
im not a mechanic. i have good resources, instructions, lots of help, and the like.. but again, im not a mechanic.
-do you guys think these will bring me into 13's?
-do you think my prices are right?
please please give me your thoughts, corrections, and choice.

thanks in advance,
john

**finboy** · 10-06-2002, 09:34 PM

where are you getting deals like that on those cars???????

**jbell** · 10-06-2002, 09:36 PM

im buying them with what i need, i.e.

crx, i need the body.
fiero, i need the shell/body.
talon, i need it decently running
240z, i need the body.

**finboy** · 10-06-2002, 09:42 PM

what do you think of these?

see, not all of them are ugly

**jbell** · 10-06-2002, 09:44 PM

sorry, i want it to be one of the top four.

**T5_X** · 10-06-2002, 09:57 PM

I think the fiero is gonna be a more. In a mid engine car, the Engine is usually mounted like it is FWD cause the engine is almost right over the rear wheels, and your caddy 4.9 is probably out of a front engine RWD car. I know you can get V8 conversions for the fiero to put a 350 in I think, I believe they run around $1000-1500. I have no Idea what tranny you would use though. I doubt that tranny on the fiero stock will bolt up to the caddy engine, but I don't know for sure. As well, when you do an engine swap, its much easier if you do it with a whole donor car. Is the caddy engine from a standard or auto car? Since its a caddy, probably auto which means more work involved.

And an SR20DET swap is NOT gonna be 2 grand! . Your getting it out of a J spec RWD car and need it shipped here, I think just the engine starts at $1700 US not including tranny and ECU or shipping. I believe there's lots of kits out there to drop chev 350s into the 240z. That'd probably be way cheaper and less difficult.

**finboy** · 10-06-2002, 10:03 PM

the caddy is fwd, but i'm thinking a caddy transaxle might be required for real power.

and for the 350 in a light car, try an rx7. there are a couple guys around town with them, including one of the guys i hang out with, but he didn't do the swap. from what i have hear it is 500 for engine/tranny mounts, then i imagine upgraded rad, fuel pump, i'd build up suspension, and the rear end, you need a new hood or cut a hole in the stock one for clearence, cooling it is a complaint from both v8 rxy guys i've talked to, very little air gets to the rad because of the restrictive front bumper.

why not a front drive talon?

**boi-alien** · 10-06-2002, 10:07 PM

where are you getting the pricing for your swaps? 1700 for a B18?? you can't even get a b16 done for 1700....

**LaughingTiger** · 10-06-2002, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by finboy
what do you think of these?
see, not all of them are ugly

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**finboy** · 10-06-2002, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by LaughingTiger

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some of those would walk all over you.

**LaughingTiger** · 10-06-2002, 10:12 PM

Dude...... how the hell can you get those cars, even find them for
that money???????

**LaughingTiger** · 10-06-2002, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by finboy

some of those would walk all over you.

Maybe...

if you think, but you said they weren't ugly!!!

**finboy** · 10-06-2002, 10:17 PM

personal preference i guess. what mods do you have?

**LaughingTiger** · 10-06-2002, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by finboy
personal preference i guess. what mods do you have?

Finboy.... there will alway's be personal preference, I know..
I'm just playing w/ you..

I have a problem... I have to make a choice and would like everyones opinion because I am on an equal scale... Go check out
my post on car talk "HELP ME CHOOSE".. tell me what you think??
then you will know my mods...

**LaughingTiger** · 10-06-2002, 10:33 PM

The North American 91-95 MR@ has 200hp and 200 ft/lbs .....
the JDM gts engine in japan has 241hp and 220ft/lbs

For a very light car and Mid-engine rear set up.. It's quick..

Bike or Engine upgrade ............What to do??

**Redlyne_mr2** · 10-06-2002, 10:34 PM

your prices are extremely unrealistic unless of course your from the US and were dealing in US dollars..even 900 dollars for a crx shell is cheap..unless of course its destroyed....a more likely option is to go with a first gen crx and swap in a b16a with some nitrous
Note: a b18 in a crx will not get you into the 13's at calgary's altitude unless you have some power adders

**LaughingTiger** · 10-06-2002, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
your prices are extremely unrealistic unless of course your from the US and were dealing in US dollars..even 900 dollars for a crx shell is cheap..unless of course its destroyed....a more likely option is to go with a first gen crx and swap in a b16a with some nitrous

That's what I was thinking.... How the fuck can you buy those cars
for that price..... maybe you are dreaming

**infamous** · 10-06-2002, 10:40 PM

i think mabye he's playing gran turismo 3.....

...even from what i know, there is no way in hell that you can get yourself a 13 second car that is reliable for under 3500....sorry to burst your bubble, but it can't be done...unless you have certain "ghetto" connections...

**GT2NV** · 10-06-2002, 10:47 PM

LEO WHERE ARE YOU????? lol jkjk id never wanna get him into this mess

**infamous** · 10-06-2002, 10:55 PM

hahaha exactly what i was thinking...him and his gtp!!! he should easily be able to help out jbell...

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