How Come honda doesn't make turbo cars

**egmike** · 10-19-2002, 12:55 AM

Why has honda never made a turbo prodution car, just about every other company has...

**Ekliptix** · 10-19-2002, 12:56 AM

Because they chose to make small displacment high reving, high compression efficient engines.

They did just make a 4-stroke turbo personal watercraft though.

**three.eighteen.** · 10-19-2002, 01:40 AM

wasnt honda's earlier success in F1 attributed to their turbo engines?...or am i remember two different facts in 1? anyone help?

**finboy** · 10-19-2002, 01:43 AM

couse vtec makes madd more powa then some turbo...

atleast thats what that damn fool in the del sol told me

**RiCE-DaDDy** · 10-19-2002, 01:47 AM

i think their team of engineers don't have the skill, i mean they do but not as good as say SAAB

**max_boost** · 10-19-2002, 01:47 AM

Honda is all about saving gas, high reving. more hp per liter sorta deal......something like that

**No.not.again** · 10-19-2002, 02:05 AM

i think their team of engineers don't have the skill, i mean they do but not as good as say SAAB

dude, how can you say that? How do you explain 160horses from a 1.6 litre? What 'bout 195horses out of a 1.8? How 'bout 240horse from 2litres found in the s2k? All of this without a turbo... if you ask me, goin' turbo is takin' the easy way out.

**finboy** · 10-19-2002, 02:07 AM

what torque #'s?

**No.not.again** · 10-19-2002, 02:11 AM

does torque really matter?

haha

alright, you got me... hondas make as much torque as you and i would pedallin' our bikes.

**eur0** · 10-19-2002, 02:18 AM

in the f1 racing in japan 2 of the 3 honda engines blew (from what i saw on 48)

**GTS Jeff** · 10-19-2002, 02:47 AM

same reason honda doesnt make v8s. cuz boost is not fuel efficient.

**Hollywood** · 10-19-2002, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Jeff TYPE R
same reason honda doesnt make v8s. cuz boost is not fuel efficient.

Yup!

Also it must be sort of a misson statement/specialization with them to produce fuel efficient N/A motors that have decent HP, Without using a turbo. Which is fine in all, but if you think if they would have spent the same large amount of time developing the engine for the s2000, squeezing any bit of HP they can out of a N/A 2L and made it a turbo instead, imagine how fast would it be.

**Redlyne_mr2** · 10-19-2002, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by MR8
Why has honda never made a turbo prodution car, just about every other company has...

they do its called the LIFE, available only in japan although it only has like 100hp or something like that which is typical honda

**Hipermax_d** · 10-19-2002, 01:51 PM

honda wanted to be different
most of you guys read a honda ad in your import mags
mr. honda wanted to create an engine that is different from other manufacturers. so wanted to create excellent power without going turbo. its just too easy to turbo an engine and get mad power and also anyone can do that. so honda tried to get as much power possible from N/A
for example the integra type r, s2000, nsx
all have high potential, high reving engine which produces excellent power

Originally posted by three.eighteen.
wasnt honda's earlier success in F1 attributed to their turbo engines?...or am i remember two different facts in 1? anyone help?

yes that was true. that made a lot of power they over lapped almost all the other cars. then the rules changed and then all cars had a regulation

**rage2** · 10-19-2002, 05:36 PM

I think it's more of a mission statement really. Turbo cars are very fuel efficient if you don't dip into the boost. I get like 500km on 65L of fuel from day to day driving in my 944, on boost once in a while when there's a challenge.

**Hollywood** · 10-19-2002, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Hipermax_d
its just too easy to turbo an engine and get mad power and also anyone can do that. so honda tried to get as much power possible from N/A

I disagree with you 100% on this. There are engineering feats with adding a turbo and keeping N/A stability, emissions, engine longevity. Now add your "Mad Power", now you have to work a lot harder harder to keep those above virtues.

Notice the top fast cars under $100,000 are generally turbo, porche turbo's, audi s4, Supra's, Rx-7's, silvias, skylines, EVO's, stealth/VR4's.

In most respects, a turbo cars are superior to N/A's, as far as power goes. It's not easier to turbo just more logical.

**GTS Jeff** · 10-20-2002, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by rage2
I think it's more of a mission statement really. Turbo cars are very fuel efficient if you don't dip into the boost. I get like 500km on 65L of fuel from day to day driving in my 944, on boost once in a while when there's a challenge.

dude, that point is totally invalid.

what is the point of having a turbo to produce extra power if you never hit boost?

the whole idea behind hondas engine designs is power and economy at the same time. in a turbo setup, u are going to end up with both as well, but not at the same time.

economy is a REALLY big thing for honda. notice how they have practical gas-hybrids on the market right now? notice how they have come up with a 400hp/50mpg sports car? see all the minicars they have in asia and europe (fit, jazz, etc), notice how they refuse to use v8s until they can make them fuel efficient? see how they are leading the way in alternative energy source cars?

honda is all about the economy, and turbo just doesnt fit the bill.

**[GaGe]** · 10-20-2002, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by No.not.again
does torque really matter?

haha

alright, you got me... hondas make as much torque as you and i would pedallin' our bikes.

Haha.. Honda = torqueless beasts.

**Lead Injector** · 10-20-2002, 12:34 AM

ah yes but "turbo" sounds much tougher than "vtec".

Seriously though I admire hondas vtec design, although I have one question- doesn't it damage the engine revving it that high? I know they redline at about 8000 but still...

(as you might of guessed I know little about hondas)

**T5_X** · 10-20-2002, 12:41 AM

It's easy to get high hp out of an NA car too. All you have to do is hike up compression, and have displacement come from bore rather than stroke. This is exactly what honda has done. Where they make it work well though is doing it in a way that makes thier engines affordable and reliable and economical. VTEC does wonders as well, as the aggresive second cam profile matches the high revving nature of the engine, so they can take advantage of that, especially in DOHC engines where high flow is crutial in the higher RPM range. Why are they so economical? Cause under daily driving conditions, you drive in the lower end of the powerband (what do you B16 guys shift at? just under 4000 rpm?) the honda engine creates lawnmower like power here, but saves big time on gas. If you want to open it up though, just delay the shifts and rev like hell

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