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    So you break something at track day... why would you even tell the dealership?!

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    Remember, what I posted may be an isolated incident. The M3's that blew up at the track due to manufacturing defect (and not moneyshift overrevs) are getting motors replace under warranty.
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    Originally posted by ///M Power


    As long as there is nobody clocking the laps it shouldn't void the warranty, for most companies anyways.
    then there's no excuse why your not going to the track days Max_Boost!

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    do they want to reduce M series sales because stunts like that will do it...aparently bmw wants its customers to lie to them because i sure would if i broke my M on a track
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    I agree with BMW. If you go to the track it puts undue pressure on everything on your car. So you buy a 75 000 car and you expect that everything you do to it deserves to be fix free. Then you should race it everyday and ask for new brakes and new tires when they wear out prematurely.

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    ok...well then why would they make an m3 with 333 hp and 262 ft-lbs of torque for nothing?? to get up to speed faster?? no i don't think so...and because an owner was keeping the streets safe and taking it to the track, he gets dinged with a huge cost...if he was speeding on the streets like that, would bmw cover it?? most likely...so basically bmw is saying if you want to speed, do it on the streets..that way if you break your car we will fix it which is bullshit

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    I hope this is just an isolated case and not actual BMW policy for all of North America. Not having a chance to fully enjoy the car and its capabilities pretty much sucks. There is far too much power on newer sports cars to fully appreciate them on the street so why would they invalidate warranty if its taken to the track where its much safer unless they do not stand behind their products?

    The dealer where I purchased my car is fully aware of all the track events that I attend and even encourage my participation at track events. I have had no issues with their service department in terms of replacing broken parts on the car. After reading that story I'm really hoping its an isolated case or I'm REALLY glad I didn't buy a 3series BMW !
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    Originally posted by buh_buh

    then there's no excuse why your not going to the track days Max_Boost!
    Ahhh....I'm just not up for the challenge

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    Originally posted by Chu
    So you buy a 75 000 car and you expect that everything you do to it deserves to be fix free. Then you should race it everyday and ask for new brakes and new tires when they wear out prematurely.
    I don't think it's the tires and brakes the guy's worried about (I buy my own replacement brakes and tires). The fact is the clutch/tranny BROKE (not worn out) means there was a manufacturing defect, which should be covered under warranty.
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    Originally posted by rage2


    I don't think it's the tires and brakes the guy's worried about (I buy my own replacement brakes and tires). The fact is the clutch/tranny BROKE (not worn out) means there was a manufacturing defect, which should be covered under warranty.
    I agree with you, but you take the risk if you go to the track if they will honour your warrenty. That is why I would never go to the track with my 996 C2. It would be so much fun but I don't think it is worth the risk of an accident or voiding my warrenty

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    so you are saying that you would rather take your car to the limits on the street?? if so then why else would you buy a porsche if not to test it's limits?? you can't tell me that you go the speedlimit absolutely everywhere....because why else would you spend $80,000 or whatever it is on a new porsche if your not going to get any good driving experiences out of it??

    oh yeah and wouldn't there be more of a risk of an accident on city streets instead of at the track??

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    The thing is, the word racing is a bad word for insurance and the manufacturer.

    That being said a lot of things are labeled as Driver Training / Competition. Kind of a tongue in cheek gray area. It's also very broad as what is labled as racing and what is not.

    I'm not saying (BMW) is right but I find this situation funny. Go to a BMW track event where you will be pushing the car hard - brake something as a result of the event and expect BMW to cover the cost. hmmmm

    It all depends what BMW rules as racing/competition (they both have a different meaning) in the end.

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    Rage, you're doing a good job of making me have second thoughts.
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    Originally posted by infamous
    so you are saying that you would rather take your car to the limits on the street?? if so then why else would you buy a porsche if not to test it's limits?? you can't tell me that you go the speedlimit absolutely everywhere....because why else would you spend $80,000 or whatever it is on a new porsche if your not going to get any good driving experiences out of it??

    oh yeah and wouldn't there be more of a risk of an accident on city streets instead of at the track??
    They're not saying they don't want you to do these wonderful things in these wonderful cars, they're just not going to PAY for the repairs of automobiles that are driven HARD.

    I think the warranties are there to cover manufacturing defects and normal vehicle wear-and-tear, not full-blown, all out racing where the vehicles limits are pushed to the max.

    If I were a car company, I wouldn't want to pay warranty expenses that were incurred because someone wants to drive at the limits.

    I'm sure most consumers who DON'T push their cars to the limit wouldn't want to be allocated the cost (through higher purchase prices) of repairing the vehicles of a small niche of consumers who do go out and drive to their vehicles limits.

    If you want to drive hard (street or track), go for it, the manufacturers are not stopping you, just don't expect the car manufacturers to pay, it doesn't make much business sense for the costs of a few to be carried by the majority of consumers.
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    Originally posted by infamous
    so you are saying that you would rather take your car to the limits on the street?? if so then why else would you buy a porsche if not to test it's limits?? you can't tell me that you go the speedlimit absolutely everywhere....because why else would you spend $80,000 or whatever it is on a new porsche if your not going to get any good driving experiences out of it??

    oh yeah and wouldn't there be more of a risk of an accident on city streets instead of at the track??
    I don't street race. I drive fast of course but I don't weave in and out of traffic. Street race vs. track? Of course the track is safer. Maybe I don't know what I am missing on the track but since I never have went, it doesn't bother me that much.

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    This is just one bad isolated incident. In my 8 years of BMW ownership I have never heard of BMW NA or Canada not honoring a legit warranty claim because the car was at a drivers school. If it was really being "raced" i.e Club Racing, then of course there is no warranty. The obvious exceptions are tires, rotors, pads, etc. No need to get all worked up, I am sure there are examples of warranty denial for every make and model out there...

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    Originally posted by Chu
    I agree with you, but you take the risk if you go to the track if they will honour your warrenty. That is why I would never go to the track with my 996 C2. It would be so much fun but I don't think it is worth the risk of an accident or voiding my warrenty
    Accidents are easily avoided. Don't drive over your limits. Listen to your instructor, and slowly build up speed. Don't do stupid things . In fact, the only people that spin are the drivers in the advanced groups, because they are the only ones that are getting close to their car's limits.

    As for Warranty, Southcenter Porsche hosts trackday for their customers (free track time, several times a year). Nobody's had a problem with Warranty with Porsche cars. Track time isn't just about pushing your car, it's about learning the limits and handling characteristics of your car, and that knowledge can be applied on the street in emergency situations. Every one of our track day events, the organizers have stressed that it is NOT a race. In fact, if you race ppl into corners, you get booted off the track.

    Originally posted by spyderman
    Rage, you're doing a good job of making me have second thoughts.
    haha good to know .

    Originally posted by mwmhong
    I think the warranties are there to cover manufacturing defects and normal vehicle wear-and-tear, not full-blown, all out racing where the vehicles limits are pushed to the max.
    So what's the point of BMW creating the "M" series cars? "M" cars on the track and owners driving the car at it's limits, that's considered normal vehicle operation. And for most of these owners (unless you're Schumacher), the car's not going to be anywhere near the limits it's designed for.

    Originally posted by mwmhong
    If you want to drive hard (street or track), go for it, the manufacturers are not stopping you, just don't expect the car manufacturers to pay, it doesn't make much business sense for the costs of a few to be carried by the majority of consumers.
    Actually, the point of the article is that only BMW is denying claims on the basis that the car's seen track time. Porsche doesn't do it, MB doesn't do it, which is why BMW owners are getting pissed off.
    Originally posted by SEANBANERJEE
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    Originally posted by spyderman
    Rage, you're doing a good job of making me have second thoughts.
    I was gonna bring that up, but you beat me to it.


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    You make good points rage2. You know a lot of cars.

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    Kinda off-topic. I have never been to race city let alone the beyond track meets. What kind of avg speed do people have during the track-day? So is there a lot of time/space between each car since it was said "its not a race/free for all"?

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