Who thinks our laws against crime should be revamped?

[89coupe]

I just read this article http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...87375-sun.html

and it makes my blood boil. I truly believe that we should have a law in place that enforces zero tolerance against gangs, violence and crimes involving harm to others. I think our laws should be way more strict then they are. If you are a teen or a young adult or anyone for that matter and you commit a crime involving violence or harm to another person you should be punished severely. I think if you take a life then you should lose your own. If you severely hurt someone than you should be thrown in a maximum security prison for ten years minimum with no chance of payroll, no luxury, no tv, no visitors, nothing. Conform to the law or pay the fucking price. Fuck do I hate criminals, the lowest form of scum on this planet.

[Shaolin]

criminals get paid to go to jail?

Things do need to be looked at for sure.. how about a public beheading of a criminal? too extreme? I feel as though criminals are getting slapped on the wrist by their mothers (authorities) in minor cases.. I don't think it's nearly as bad regarding major cases (IE. Scott P. and Bernardo).. but things do need to change.

Anyone ever see the video of a new years (or some sort of) party that was video taped in a prison down in the states? they were drinking champagne and eating like kings.. go figure.

[89coupe]

Prisons need to be more like a boot camp in the army then a vacation behind bars like it is presently.

Our whole law system is just fucked. Zero tolerance, thats what I think. Fucking criminals, low life scum, lazy mother fuckers.

[Weapon_R]

Originally posted by Shaolin


Things do need to be looked at for sure.. how about a public beheading of a criminal?

At least we'd know he wouldn't fuck up again...

[Shaolin]

haha yeah.. i was kind of joking about that.. but yeah, nothing like some extreme population control to handle a situation..

this country would shit a brick if something like that ever happened.. always have to find some sort of equilibrium (which I think is stupid IN SOME ISSUES) so you don't have both groups trying to give you shit.. it's like spanking your children.. my mom would probably be in jail if they found the mass arsenal of bamboo sticks with chicken feathers in the living room.

I don't know.. I don't have much thought about doing it a positive way.. i don't know how well positive reinforcement would work in this area, it's not like you can give bubba a treat if he doesn't go on a rampage for a week. Injecting fear into them might be a good idea (Hi China), but you'd probably have humane society, treehuggers and other lobby groups on your ass for being too severe on "criminals".

[TKRIS]

Dostoesky said, "We can measure the degree of civilization in a society by entering its prisons."


Kris

[Weapon_R]

God said, “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets..."

God > Russians

Those who kill, should be killed.

[89coupe]

I agree.

Originally posted by Weapon_R


Those who kill, should be killed.

[TKRIS]

a) I think there's a little something about turning the other cheek in that little book of yours as well, so it's a little confusing. (I'm just kidding, I don't want to start a silly argument with the thiests)

b) You're missing his point. Dostoesky wasn't making a comment on capital punishment. He wasn't really even commenting on prison systems (although it could be argued, but not by me) but on the prisoners themselves.

c) As long as we're on the topic of books, Dostoesky is a much better author. (Again, I'm kidding. Just a little good natured ribbing.)



Kris

[Majestic12]

So... what if someone is sentenced to death, and a few years later you find out he was innocent?

[method]

Originally posted by Majestic12
So... what if someone is sentenced to death, and a few years later you find out he was innocent?

this is why capital punishment was eliminated in canada, and many states in the US. there's been many people on death row that were innocent, and were executed.

so should the executioners be killed for that fuckup?

I'm pretty liberal when it comes to most stuff, but not on the justice system.

some cop kills a guy and he gets 2 years house arrest?

[hjr]

when canada got rid of capital punishment (1972), violent crimes actually decreased.

This is not to say that violent crime decreaced because capital punishment was taken off the books (cause it doenst), but what it does show is that harsh penalties like that do not effect a persons choice to commit a violent crime. There is not a causal relationship between stiff penalties and crime reduction. Studies have shown that the punishment for a crime doesnt effects the decision to commit the crime to any large degree, what does effect the decision is the percieved likelyhood of being caught.

Originally posted by Majestic12
So... what if someone is sentenced to death, and a few years later you find out he was innocent?

our justice system is not accurate enough to have a valid claim to capital punishment for just this reason.

[Tyler883]

I wonder if we can still send them all to Australia? LOL

[Toma]

It's my belief that murder is a culmination of prior "acceptable" violence.

Being an ex bartender and doorman, its the beggining phases that worry me most. They are what I believe lead to escalation and a lax attitude.

As an example, I have had 5 co-workers stabbed. The charge? Assault.

WHAT THE FUCK?? Assault? give me a break. That should be AUTOMATIC attempted murder.

Then really..... Whatever IDIOT thinks violence on TV and video games is harmless should be shot. Every reputable scientific study on the planet has shown that it leads to a numbing towards violence and a lax attitude towards it.

Christ, as a kid (20+ years ago), I was scared to death over some cheesy, bad special effect fake blood horror movie. There were even some original star trek episodes that scared me . Today, the shit is so realistic, every single movie is just trying to outdo the other. I know 10 year olds that laugh at it.

It starts at the bottom. And as long as we live in a pure capitalist society, the dollar will always come before the well being of the people.

Then they will pretend to wonder why kids and teenagers are more out of control.

[abyss]

what about people who accidentally kill someone...with a car or whatever...and should the punishment be more severe if the person is a child? I think with DNA evidence and everything now, capital punishment is a little more feasible. If you can't prove it with DNA then life is the maximum charge IMO. Although I agree with the fact that we need to revamp our prison system too. I thought I read somewhere that some homeless people will commit a violent crime just so that they have somewhere warm to stay where they can be fed. If that's true then we're kindof asking for more crimes to be commited.

[Seanith]

Drew Stewart, 16, was fatally stabbed Dec. 3 while trying to stop a group of teens assaulting a pregnant pal.

Thats absolutely sick

[Ben]

Fuck em. Zero Tollerance.

I get so upset sometimes about people who think their all hardcore in gangs and shiot, threatening to "chop me" and shit like that.

I hope nothing less than death to all those involved in Violent gangs.

What ever happened to "Being a man" and a good ole 1 on 1 rumble. Now it's a 1 on 1 rumble, the fucker gets owned, and half an hour later he has his posse of like 40 cousins, brothers, sisters, and friends to get him back. That or it's like 20 on 1 for no apparant reason (like that off Duty RCMP guy that got rolled by those 6 teenagers for no reason whatsoever a few months ago, putting him in the hospital for a couple weeks.)

It used to be civilized, now it's all about who has the biggest weapon arsenal and largest following.

Sometimes I hate what society has become.