Tenant went on a trip for 3 weeks over xmas and thought it was ok to turn heat off...

[mr2mike]

Unreal.
Check your policy to know how long a place can go without being checked on.

[Disoblige]

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X2, I've dated a few of them.

Good for a short time, not a long time.

Don't even date em. Only good for a "u up?"

[spike98]

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Unreal.
Check your policy to know how long a place can go without being checked on.

This. Insurance likely has a requirement. There is probably a lot more damage that you will find over the course of the next few days. Document everything, this will likely be a lawsuit.

[Neil4Speed]

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This. Insurance likely has a requirement. There is probably a lot more damage that you will find over the course of the next few days. Document everything, this will likely be a lawsuit.

It was funny, I pushed Meloche Monnex to give me the date requirement to check in on the place and they told me they didn't have one... which I found to be interesting.

Something like this happened to some guys I knew in university. Guy tells his friend could stay at his place in Edmonton over the winter break, but told him to turn off the water when he left. He decided to turn off the heat, in -30 Edmonton for a few weeks.

Guy comes back up a few weeks later after a long drive from Calgary and needs to use the washroom ASAP... walks into the house runs to the washroom and opens up the toilet to find a frozen block of ice. This is where it gets even crazier.. Guy decides to 'thaw out' the place and cranks up the heat and goes out for the day. Of course, every pipe in the house at this point has burst and the house essentially flooded. I think they had to end up restoring the house virtually from square one.

[TomcoPDR]

@Neil4Speed so where did buddy end up turfing the turd?

[mr2mike]

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@Neil4Speed so where did buddy end up turfing the turd?

Hopefully this is a backstory of @Toilet_X 's life.

[topmade]

I've seen this at some vacant houses for sale. You could see your breath when walking around with all the floors creaking. I hope that $50 in savings was worth it.

[finboy]

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It was funny, I pushed Meloche Monnex to give me the date requirement to check in on the place and they told me they didn't have one... which I found to be interesting.

Something like this happened to some guys I knew in university. Guy tells his friend could stay at his place in Edmonton over the winter break, but told him to turn off the water when he left. He decided to turn off the heat, in -30 Edmonton for a few weeks.

Guy comes back up a few weeks later after a long drive from Calgary and needs to use the washroom ASAP... walks into the house runs to the washroom and opens up the toilet to find a frozen block of ice. This is where it gets even crazier.. Guy decides to 'thaw out' the place and cranks up the heat and goes out for the day. Of course, every pipe in the house at this point has burst and the house essentially flooded. I think they had to end up restoring the house virtually from square one.

This would be my biggest concern thawing it out. The freeze normally only weakens the pipe, the shards of ice that push past the pipe or pressure that builds up at turn points are what cause blow outs. My condolences man, this won’t be an easy fix.

[redblack]

Time to find smarter tenants. Oh the joys of being a landlord, any profit always get wiped out by these idiot renters.

[jutes]

Lockout temp control to your phone app or at least monitor it for any tenant nonsense. Set-up an alert if it's set below 15c? Surely there are smart thermostats that allow for this.

[ExtraSlow]

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Lockout temp control to your phone app or at least monitor it for any tenant nonsense. Set-up an alert if it's set below 15c? Surely there are smart thermostats that allow for this.

There are many systems for this.

[Rocket1k78]

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Unreal.
Check your policy to know how long a place can go without being checked on.

from what i was told its 3 days

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Time to find smarter tenants. Oh the joys of being a landlord, any profit always get wiped out by these idiot renters.

The crazy part is this tenant is by far the most educated ive had by far. As far as profit loss goes you got a point no doubt but thats not the case for all, like i said its not for everyone and some will lose their asses but for me ive been lucky and had some good tenants for the most part(longest was 10.5 years not 1 issue and this lady on paper looked like shit, divorce with no credit and debt).

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Lockout temp control to your phone app or at least monitor it for any tenant nonsense. Set-up an alert if it's set below 15c? Surely there are smart thermostats that allow for this.

Definitely going to look into something like this

[prae]

wow- hope it all works out Rocket. Looks grim.

The lease we signed on our current place has us PERSONALLY liable for flood damage due to freezing as the result of negligent acts like this (eg. leaving a door open in the cold, or turning off the heat). My tenant/possessions policy wouldn't cover this. I signed the lease under protest and IIRC changed the wording to reflect intentional malice, because I don't feel like getting sued or going bankrupt over a situation like this, not that I believe I'd be so dumb as to inflict such a scenario.

As an LL, this seems like a nightmare; your probability of success in collecting on a property insurance claim is in question (i.e. damage was the direct result of a negligent and intentional act), and your tenant certainly won't be able to cover the damage if it is severe.

I acknowledge negligence alone is not a reason to void a claim (eg. most collisions and home insurance claims are the result of negligence of some form) and malice is hard to prove; but intentionally disabling the heat in winter is definitely approaching that bar.

[Xtrema]

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The crazy part is this tenant is by far the most educated ive had by far. As far as profit loss goes you got a point no doubt but thats not the case for all, like i said its not for everyone and some will lose their asses but for me ive been lucky and had some good tenants for the most part(longest was 10.5 years not 1 issue and this lady on paper looked like shit, divorce with no credit and debt).

Book smart != Life Smart.

I have seen PhD's that book an appointment at crappy tire to check tire pressure.

[spike98]

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wow- hope it all works out Rocket. Looks grim.

The lease we signed on our current place has us PERSONALLY liable for flood damage due to freezing as the result of negligent acts like this (eg. leaving a door open in the cold, or turning off the heat). My tenant/possessions policy wouldn't cover this. I signed the lease under protest and IIRC changed the wording to reflect intentional malice, because I don't feel like getting sued or going bankrupt over a situation like this, not that I believe I'd be so dumb as to inflict such a scenario.

As an LL, this seems like a nightmare; your probability of success in collecting on a property insurance claim is in question (i.e. damage was the direct result of a negligent and intentional act), and your tenant certainly won't be able to cover the damage if it is severe.

I acknowledge negligence alone is not a reason to void a claim (eg. most collisions and home insurance claims are the result of negligence of some form) and malice is hard to prove; but intentionally disabling the heat in winter is definitely approaching that bar.

It doesn't matter what your lease says or would have not said, it wouldn't have be enforceable under the LTA. The tenant is liable due to negligence and it's a matter for the court.

[pheoxs]

For the small cost I wonder why more landlords don't run a small Raspberry PI with home assistant and a few monitors. Guess renters would be grumpy about it but might be worth it for security. ~100$ setup would get you the mini server, a few zwave temperature sensors, water sensor (for leaks). Heck you could even put a small open/close sensor on the furnance filter cover to log if they ever actually change the filter.

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Book smart != Life Smart.

I have seen PhD's that book an appointment at crappy tire to check tire pressure.

My wife is that person lol

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It doesn't matter what your lease says or would have not said, it wouldn't have be enforceable under the LTA. The tenant is liable due to negligence and it's a matter for the court.

Goes both ways, I cant add in bullshit things on my lease but at the end of the day it wont get me anything when it goes to court.

[ercchry]

So… wouldn’t you still go through your rental insurance policy for repairs? Then the insurance company would go after the tenant to recover costs? If they don’t have a tenant policy, or their insurance company voids it due to being away for too long, then they’d be personally liable? I fail to see how your policy wouldn’t cover you, it’s pretty unreasonable for you to keep tabs on the coming and goings of tenants

[killramos]

Rentals lol. Gift that keeps on giving.

[jaylo]

Wi-fi thermostats and flood detectors will compensate for tenant negligence in the future.