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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    How we count cities varies greatly, particularly between Canada and the US and the rest of the world.

    There isn't a borough of New York City, NYC is made up of five boroughs (Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, The Bronx, and Staten Island). When you say NYC has 8-9 people you are actually talking only about New York City. Metro New York isn't really a thing people refer to (Once you get past Brooklyn you have 'Long Islanders' and once you cross under the river you're definitely in New Jersey, even though there are authorities that deal with the interactions of all of them).

    Compared to say, Toronto, it was amalgamated from five cities (Old Toronto, Etobicoke, York, North York, East York, and Scarborough) but that only has less than 3M people. Before the amalgamation 'Toronto' was effectively used to describe the GTA (which has 6M people). This is an area where the York Region no longer has any places named York in it, where there are cities and counties that are in the GTA but not in the Toronto CMA (and vice-versa). The GTA isn't a governing body or corporate entity, but there really isn't much of a question that Toronto and the GTA are more connected than any other CMA is in the Canadian mindset.

    Then there's Montreal which had all its boroughs amalgamated, but not really because some just wanted to be enclaves so you have areas like Westmount operating autonomously from the city that completely surrounds it.

    Then you have Vancouver where the MVRD is an actual corporate entity that oversees some services and industries officially bringing together a whole bunch of municipalities/counties/regions, etc. under an official banner in a way the GTA isn't. But all the entities in the MVRD still operate separately as there was no amalgamation and there is more perceived separation from Langley and West Vancouver even though they have a governing body that officially connects them in a way that Toronto and even Markham don't have. I'd figure that without clarifying how much (or little) of 'Vancouver' you're talking about, 'Vancouver proper, the North Shore, Burnaby, and New Westminster would constitute a pretty colloquial area of "Vancouver" IMO.
    What it is, is a silly straw man that has nothing to do with the point I was making which is that Canada is a bit unique. Going to US cities blows my mind when it comes to the amount of opportunity they have that just doesn’t exist here. If we continue down the path of chopping off the hand that feeds (oil) with zero backup industries, I can only imagine it will get worse

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    Bump. Wondering if you guys stopped tipping today.

    Asking for a friend (speedog).

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    Min boost got a raise!


    My normal tip is about 12%. Good service is about 18

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    12%?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by max_boost View Post
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    Bump. Wondering if you guys stopped tipping today.

    Asking for a friend (speedog).
    Nope, will continue tipping as I always have. 10, 15, 20, even 0% - depends on the service.

    Why do I get the feeling that you felt I was a non-tipper or would be reducing my tips?
    Last edited by speedog; 10-01-2018 at 07:03 PM.
    Will fuck off, again.

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    Ya. But prices have gone up so much servers are still taking home more.

    I guess I should clarify that what I consider good service is the same level I get back anywhere in Houston. Which is sadly rare here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedog View Post
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    Nope, will continue tipping as I always have. 10, 15, 20, even 0% - depends on the service.

    Why do I get the feeling that you felt I was a non-tipper or would be reducing my tips?
    My bad, bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max_boost View Post
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    My bad, bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max_boost View Post
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    My bad, bro.
    LOL


    Reduced my tipping for sure. I used to see it as encouragement to seek higher education.
    At $15/hr... it's out of pure jealousy of YoY salary increases now.

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    One of my customers skidded two of his staff on Friday. The bottom got the ax, no changes to staff that were already above the minimum wage.
    In the restaurant business, I think this is really going to hit the chain restaurants that operate with rigid legitimate corporate structures, while family run places will skirt it somewhat by paying under the table or just hiring family and paying in dividends.
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    As of today, I no longer tip unless service is exceptional.

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    I just had the most illiterate financial conversation with some people about the minimum wage increase. They don't seem to understand minimum wage is a large cause of inflation in costs, and how that affects the people disproportionately at the bottom of the income scale. And they also cannot in any way understand how raising minimum wage costs THEM more money.

    Fucking ridiculous
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    As a business owner I can say we will be trying to be more efficient with hours our employees work.

    For example, we always had paid for their 30 minute lunch, free food while on shift. Those things might change in the future, at $15/Hr it is hard to swallow the big change for payroll bi-weekly.

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    The 'Similar Threads' below is hilarious.

    Can we just abolish tipping already.
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    Timmy's operator I know has cut hours per shift and removing head counts on some shifts. So workers effectively make less money after the raise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msommers View Post
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    The 'Similar Threads' below is hilarious.

    Can we just abolish tipping already.
    You can abolish it anytime you want.

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    Get the soccer moms to spearhead the movement for no tipping.

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    Minimum wage in the age of AI automation will be interesting... it will only accelerate jobs going to machines.
    Universal Basic Income is the only way forward, I think.. and taxing automated jobs with a value add tax like they have in Europe.

    Calgary is in a precarious spot. I don't think it even matters if we approve the pipelines now, we are entering an era of peak oil (demand this time, not supply), and we're the tail end of the supply chain. $75 WTI and $35 WCS is a worst case scenario... shale producers can (and are) ramping up production, oil sands producers can't help but ramp up production, and any realistic increase in take away capacity is years out.

    Alberta in the 2020s may look like Alberta in the 1990s... bring on the UBI!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super_Geo View Post
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    bring on the UBI!
    With what money?

    I'm starting to think a one way trip to Mars looks better and better all the time...

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    I dont know how some of the pubs and resturants will manage.
    I think we will see a lot of these places shutting shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super_Geo View Post
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    Minimum wage in the age of AI automation will be interesting... it will only accelerate jobs going to machines.
    Universal Basic Income is the only way forward, I think.. and taxing automated jobs with a value add tax like they have in Europe.

    Calgary is in a precarious spot. I don't think it even matters if we approve the pipelines now, we are entering an era of peak oil (demand this time, not supply), and we're the tail end of the supply chain. $75 WTI and $35 WCS is a worst case scenario... shale producers can (and are) ramping up production, oil sands producers can't help but ramp up production, and any realistic increase in take away capacity is years out.

    Alberta in the 2020s may look like Alberta in the 1990s... bring on the UBI!
    Read an interesting forecast where petroleum demand is expected to continue rising well into 2040. Primary reason suggested was that more of the global population will being moving up into the Middle Class.
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