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Brawling, vandalism scuttle talks in Caledonia
Last Updated Tue, 23 May 2006 08:59:18 EDT
CBC News

The southern Ontario town of Caledonia awoke to no power and much uncertainty Tuesday, a day after a standoff between aboriginal protesters and non-native residents exploded in violence.
Clashes between aboriginal protesters and non-native residents of Caledonia dashed hopes that a longstanding land-claim dispute was near a resolution. (CBC)

* INDEPTH: Caledonia land claim dispute

By early morning, about a dozen non-native protesters from Caledonia were milling around the site of an aboriginal blockade on Highway 6. About 300 metres down the road, 50 native protesters had gathered behind a toppled electrical transmission tower.

Situated between them were three Ontario Provincial Police cruisers and about a dozen officers.

* FROM MAY 22, 2006: Tensions flare as Caledonia standoff continues

Talks – which had been planned for Tuesday amid hopes the longstanding land-claim dispute was about to be resolved – were not expected to resume.

Schools close, affecting 41,000 children

Municipal officials in Haldimand County declared an official state of emergency late Monday night after vandalism at a local transformer cut power from much of the community.

Hydro officials said restoring electricity could take days.

Schools have been closed on Tuesday, making for an extended long weekend for 41,000 children.

Brawl scuttles goodwill gesture

The calm that settled over the town after darkness fell was a stark contrast to the scene during the daylight hours on Monday, when protesters and residents traded punches and insults.

OPP officers repeatedly separated the two sides during the day, and showed up in the evening in riot gear on Highway 6, the main road running through the southern Ontario town.

Former Ontario premier David Peterson, who was appointed by the province at the end of April to help resolve the standoff, said the clash had "complicated the situation by a large measure."

When talks could resume is uncertain, he said, calling Monday's brawl a "heartbreaking" turn of events.

The native protesters had briefly dismantled their barricade Monday morning as a sign of goodwill after the province pledged to indefinitely halt development on a plot of disputed land.

The Six Nations community claims the land on which the subdivision was being built was illegally taken from them 200 years ago.

Six Nations given taste of own medicine: non-native protester

Hundreds of town residents turned up Monday and barred access to the site. The scene turned ugly when a van driven by a Six Nations protester tried to force its way through the locals, prompting a fist fight.

Several native and non-native demonstrators were injured in scuffles after natives blocked the highway with an electrical transmission tower and then used backhoes to tear a trench across the road in front of their blockade.

The non-native blockade began Friday night, as part of a weekly demonstration by members of the community frustrated about the barricade that has been in place for almost five weeks.

One non-native protester denied that residents had made the situation worse by coming out to face the natives.

"We're not provoking the situation," Jeff MacNeil told CBC News early Tuesday.

"We're just treating them the same way they're treating us — refusing them access to various things, like, 'We're not allowed over there? OK, you can't come over here.' "

Many First Nations watching dispute

Peterson told CBC Newsworld the Caledonia dispute is being watched by native groups across North America.

"Don't underestimate the significance," he said. "All of us were praying and working hard to ensure that something ugly didn't develop out of this, like an Oka or a Wounded Knee or something like that."

In a development that seemed to underline Peterson's concerns, members of First Nations in the North Battleford area of Saskatchewan set up a short-lived blockade of their own at a major highway near the community Monday afternoon.

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Thoughts?

[Xtrema]

Indians seems to be above the law.

[topmade]

No offence to every Indian, but most of them seem to think they got everything stolen from them. The past is full of pull and give situations and I think it's fair game who owns what now. It's not like your going to find any hard evidence 200 years ago that anything was really stolen from them other then some old books that their great grand parents wrote. But sadly, they will get something out of it because they are causing such a big fuss over it.

[ZEDGE]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Indians seems to be above the law.

That about sums it up.

Now here comes the bleeding heart brigade..

[TrevorK]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Indians seems to be above the law.

I can't see how they aren't breaking the law?

The are blocking people access to what is rightfully theirs because they feel it is not.


That's great they don't think that the land is the developers, and that's why we have court. But nothing happens to them; because they're native. I can't think of a single ethnic group in Canada that has done the same.

[86max]

This is pathetic, as is almost every other issue dealing with Canada's natives. When will this country grow a back bone and tell them where to shove it.

[Khyron]

Build a fence with toll boths for leaving their reserves. They don't pay taxes, the highways, the McDonalds and everything else should be charged. I like the non-native protester's idea.

Wah I want my old ways reserve/land/whatever but I still want electricity, casinos, trucks, fast food, internet, etc.

I can't believe we still allow ourselves to have a welfare class of citizens. Treat them equal just like everyone else. If they want to live like huterites, so be it, but we don't need to pay for it.

Khyron

[kaput]

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[broken_legs]

Originally posted by Khyron
Build a fence with toll boths for leaving their reserves. They don't pay taxes, the highways, the McDonalds and everything else should be charged. I like the non-native protester's idea.

Wah I want my old ways reserve/land/whatever but I still want electricity, casinos, trucks, fast food, internet, etc.

I can't believe we still allow ourselves to have a welfare class of citizens. Treat them equal just like everyone else. If they want to live like huterites, so be it, but we don't need to pay for it.

Khyron

Werd

I was born in Canada. I don't have any special rights or privys above any other Canadian.

[sputnik]

Most natives have no idea what it means to be native anymore. All they know is that they live on free land and get money from the government.

My friends neice is a teacher on a reserve in Peace River. She's white but all of the kids in her class are native. One day they were all at an assembly in the gym and they had a hoop dancer there. He was all dressed up and one of the kids pointed and shouted for his class to hear "Look! An INDIAN!"

[2002civic]

Originally posted by kaput
Don't even get me started on natives cause I will get banned.

[Lo)2enz0]

alright here is my input on the subject.

GET YOUR HEAD ON STRAIGHT!!!!!!


fuck, this is 2006, not 1906. we did not just come over here and steal everything from you and we have given everything to indians that they have asked for. they get to fish in our offseasons, they get to do this and that and they get money from the government cause they are native. like common, i have no sympathy for indians who sit on there ass and get drunk. and i respect that ones that work hard and get an education. but seriously, if they want what they are asking for they can go back to riding on horses and living in tee pee's if they want all the freedom and gimmes they are asking for.

and who gives a shit about the land, let the economy grow. more growth = more jobs, hint hint ???

like i said i totally respect natives that make an honest living, but when things like this happen it just makes me question them.

[5abi]

ripping up public property is just wrong, the police wont' arrest? vandalisim?

[Tech2]

I'll withold my comments about the present standoff for now because I don't have enough info on it besides to say that the situation is pretty complex. There are big time assholes in both the native and non-native groups that are determined to not get along.

A little off topic though, I remember some footage from a helicopter around a standoff in BC a while back. The film showed the RCMP shooting at some native guy who was shaving across the lake. They had the guy pined down behind a rock. Really not cool.

Watched that in a native studies course. It was an eye opener.

[l8braker]

The Government should authorize the use of JTF-2 and see if the Natives still want to play hardball then.

[Davide]

Originally posted by l8braker
The Government should authorize the use of JTF-2 and see if the Natives still want to play hardball then.

yea I guess, but if this was the old days I'd be a hell of a lot more scared of the indians then the JTF-2 or navy seals for that matter.

but as posted before, natives don't know what a real native is these days

[nismodrifter]

Originally posted by Davide


but as posted before, natives don't know what a real native is these days

And WHOSE fault is that?

[method]

the blatent racism on this site is absolutely apalling, especially considering the ethnic divirsity of beyond.ca

you people should be ashamed of your blatent ignorance on aboriginal issues, and the hateful filth you people spew.

you make me fucking sick.

[kaput]

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[nismodrifter]

Originally posted by method
the blatent racism on this site is absolutely apalling, especially considering the ethnic divirsity of beyond.ca

you people should be ashamed of your blatent ignorance on aboriginal issues, and the hateful filth you people spew.

you make fucking sick.

Most of the people who posted here are total fucking retards....

Kaput.. why dont you answer my question: who is to blame for our FIRST NATIONS not knowing what it really means to be a member of the first nations community in Canada? Go ahead genius.

FYI: First nations are not from India and thus they are not Indian. Are you people really that dense?