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    Default "But her profile said she was 18" == jail cell, judge rules

    Should have been like Ma$e and told the judge "She showed me some ID!!!"

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    Be careful when hooking up with other "adults" online—even if they say they're 18, you'll be the one in hot water if they turn out to be 14 instead. That's the opinion of a federal judge in Ohio, who dismissed a suit last week against SexSearch.com, a web site that hosts personals ads by people who are looking for sex. The plaintiff, who went by John Doe due to the very personal nature of the suit, accused the site and its owners of negligent misrepresentation, fraud, and breach of warranty, but Judge Jack Zouhary ruled that the site and its alleged transgressions were protected under the 1996 Communications Decency Act.

    It all goes back to 2005, when Doe became a paying member of SexSearch.com in order to find... well, you know. He eventually met another paying member on the site, a woman who is named in the court documents as Jane Roe. Roe had completed her profile on the site with a recent and authentic picture, a birth date that indicated that she was over 18, and a statement that she was looking for someone "who could last for a long time." The two eventually decided to meet, with Doe going over to Roe's abode in November of 2005 to engage in... well, you know.

    Things were all well and good, and the two had even lost contact after a short period of time. Until one night a month later, that is, when Doe found his house surrounded by police—it turned out that Roe was merely 14. Doe was arrested and charged with three separate accounts of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor, and he currently faces up to 15 years in prison as well as a lifetime registration as a sexual offender. Doe was publicly named for engaging in sexual relations with a minor, which he said ruined his reputation as a law-abiding citizen and caused him to lose his job. All in all, Doe's case sounds like the worst nightmare of almost anyone who has searched for a "casual" relationship with someone online.

    Doe's complaint places blame for the entire series of events on the shoulders of SexSearch.com, which he says misrepresented itself by displaying the phrase "all persons within this site are 18+." Since SexSearch.com also reserved the right to modify member profiles that it believed to be misleading or underage, Doe said that it was negligent and deceptive since it allowed Roe's profile and photo to remain on the site. Basically, if the site had discovered Roe's real age and subsequently prevented her from posting on the site, none of this would have ever happened.

    While that may be true, Judge Zouhary didn't feel that that Doe should have placed that much trust in the site. In his 29-page ruling, the judge wrote that there was nothing deceptive about the site's warning language stating that all persons were over 18. "Plaintiff was not an unsuspecting customer," wrote Zouhary in his opinion. "He was aware the SexSearch membership registration process did not include an age-verification procedure. As noted above, Plaintiff specifically agreed to Terms and Conditions which stated that SexSearch did not guarantee or verify any information provided by users of the website, and nothing outside of the Terms and Conditions creates warranties."

    Ultimately, Zouhary said, SexSearch.com was protected under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which states that "interactive computer services" cannot be held responsible for publishing information provided to them by members. Judge Zouhary also cited a 2007 lawsuit involving MySpace, which asserted that MySpace should be held responsible for minors participating in communications with adults—another case dismissed as a result of section 230. Since Doe never attempted to argue that the site had modified Roe's profile, Zouhary said that the service was otherwise protected by section 230.

    Zouhary ruled that even without the section 230 protections, Doe's case was not a strong one. He wrote that Doe had plenty of opportunity to verify Roe's age when he met her in person at what we all presume to be her parents' house, but failed to do so. "Plaintiff employed a double-barreled shotgun approach to this case, but failed to hit a claim upon which relief may be granted," reads the opinion. Unfortunately for John Doe, it looks like 14 will get him 15 in the slammer.
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    That's a tough call. It's very similiar to "she was in the bar, that means she's 18 right?". Which seems logical to me.

    I think he should have won his lawsuit.

    But in all honestly -- you'd think a guy could tell a 14 year old from an 18 year old, but this could have been one of those 1 in a 100's where he couldnt or didn't want to.

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    Originally posted by Crymson
    That's a tough call. It's very similiar to "she was in the bar, that means she's 18 right?". Which seems logical to me.

    I think he should have won his lawsuit.

    But in all honestly -- you'd think a guy could tell a 14 year old from an 18 year old, but this could have been one of those 1 in a 100's where he couldnt or didn't want to.

    The bar does have an age verificaion procedure though, I would hope that would stand up in court.

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    Originally posted by QuasarCav



    The bar does have an age verificaion procedure though, I would hope that would stand up in court.
    Good point.

    But if she was a "paying member" there should have been some sort of check against her CC. But i guess that's rather vague.

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    its hard to say without seeing this 14 year old if the guy was as stupid as this all makes him out to be. these 14-16 year olds do themselves up so well its hard to tell anymore. that said if the guy was really going over to this girl's parents house and was too stupid to figure it out sooner or later... yea well...

    lets just say i dont think he was thinking with head #1...
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    If a 14 year old girl is signing up online to look for sex she is ugly as fucking hell.

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    Originally posted by Super_Geo
    If a 14 year old girl is signing up online to look for sex she is ugly as fucking hell.
    May be all the kids around can't "last for a long time."

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    Sucks that his life is going to crap because of some little whore, but in this day and age, if you are meeting someone over the internet (or even the bar) and she looks younger than 30, it's time to see a piece of ID. Sure, it might ruin the mood, but this'll ruin your life.

    Expecting that someone can't fool the internet about their age is just stupid.

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    chris rock:

    If a girl tells you she's 20, and looks 16, she's 12.
    If she tells you she's 26, and looks 26, she's damn near 40!

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    Originally posted by avow


    lets just say i dont think he was thinking with head #1...

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    In Alberta... 14 wont get you 20... Redneck govt officials FTW hahahaha

    But really, I've seen some girls who are 15-16 who look 18... And have gotten into bars without getting carded.

    I have a friend who's 17, went with her 20 year old cousin to a bar, didn't get IDed but her cousin did...


    EDIT: This was also in Toronto... and last week. (she was visiting her cousin in TO)
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    I went to vicious circle once, I was with two white guys, one was 19, the other 21, and one asian guy who was 17, I am 23, we all switched our ids as a joke, the white guy who was 21 had my id and I had his, the white guy who was 19 had my 17 yr old asian friends.

    The lady checked all the ids and somehow didn't notice, but when I gave her my white friends id shes like wait a minute that isn't you. What the hell, she didn't notice the other switched ids..
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    ... Unfortunately for John Doe, it looks like 14 will get him 15 in the slammer.
    Yeah, 15 inches.

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    Originally posted by dennisaur
    chris rock:

    If a girl tells you she's 20, and looks 16, she's 12.
    If she tells you she's 26, and looks 26, she's damn near 40!
    LOL< gold, I remember that routine I think.
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    damn this is a bitch sucks for the guy, but to those that said he should have notice, once you start thinking with the little head you ignore a bunch of important shit

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    "how old are you?" 16. "18, youre first" im getting my mom "I like where this is going, Aaaalright"

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    No one bothered saying anything about this girl, eh? She went into it knowing that she could put someone in jail! What the fuck is wrong with this fucked up, probably repulsive-looking girl?

    I think the what the girl did is worse than what the guy did.

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    Originally posted by gatorade
    I went to vicious circle once, I was with two white guys, one was 19, the other 21, and one asian guy who was 17, I am 23, we all switched our ids as a joke, the white guy who was 21 had my id and I had his, the white guy who was 19 had my 17 yr old asian friends.

    The lady checked all the ids and somehow didn't notice, but when I gave her my white friends id shes like wait a minute that isn't you. What the hell, she didn't notice the other switched ids..

    What?!?!?! What the hell were you doing with two white guys for?



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    On one hand, I don't think he deserves the full punishment of the law on that one. Bit of a tough call in some ways. But on the other hand, who the fuck is so pathetic they have to find sex through the internet????? You almost deserve going to jail for being so pathetic. If you're that hard up, go to a shitty bar and chat up a fatty.
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