Mount Royal University

[swak]

Im pretty sure that MRC, now as MRU, will continue having the same small classes.
They dont have the big auditoriums that the U of C has.
Id be pissed if they stopped this. All their classrooms can only hold a max of around 30-40

[rixxx]

[pf0sh0]

Originally posted by scat19


Not learning much, are you?

JERK

[Ebon]

Originally posted by rixxx
Almost everyone i know in mount royal did not go there by choice, they went there because they couldn't get into u of c...

Mostly the same thing from my experience. I know 1 student the went from UofC to MRU but her sole reason was because its easier and she wanted to party more. Everyone else was transferring the other way.

I'm assuming all the people that say the MRU classes are small only went to the UofC for 1 or 2 years. The senior classes at the UofC are all pretty small. Although for me this was completely irrelevant since I am actually willing to get help and have my questions answered by the prof.

Also for the one who said that they would rather not be taught by PhDs at MRU. ~70% of faculty have one or equivalent at MRU. Lots of whom teach at both UofC and MRU (I've had a total of 5 profs in 2 years that did this).

Honestly, they are both pretty close in the certain areas that they have in common. Although I would have to say MRU classes are a bit easier. Not material-wise or standard of teaching but course structure. Based on comparisons of equivalent courses and the same professors.

[swak]

In the first place, i would have applied to U of C, but they did not have the program i was after (BA Criminology). MRU had this course, and so i applied there.

I live a hop skip and a jump away from U of C, and would have much rather went there if they supported the course. My marks from HS could have got me to eaither easily, so thats def. not the case.

[darkENERGIE]

Originally posted by rixxx
Almost everyone i know in mount royal did not go there by choice, they went there because they couldn't get into u of c...

common knowledge amongst those who graduate from Calgary high schools and want to stay in the city.

[Neil4Speed]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Nice to see some competitions. U of C is not worth the price they charge compare to other Us in the country. It's only expensive because it got a monopoly in town.

Isn't the price roughly the same as all other universities and collages around Canada? (barring Quebec of course )

[dezmarez]

if programs at MRU allow students to get into grad school, then what difference does it make?

[msommers]

Good to see competition within the city.

But lets not turn this into Mount Royal vs. UofC. If you think either is really amazing, you're wrong.

That said, my experience at UofC has been fairly decent, albeit I can think of ways they could improve, obviously. Profs in geology I find are much more willing to help (except Jen Owen lololol) than when I was bio; more involvement within the student body as well via organizing events, study sessions, field trips. Maybe geology is different but there is a definite tight-knit feeling around the department where everyone gets to know everyone, students and profs alike. Class size has never been a real issue asside from first year, where 200+ people would be taking physics and chem. But really, who gives a fuck. For chem I/II for example, you want the prof to know you personally? lol Why?! Some class sizes have drastically gotten smaller...I think my geochem class had 40-50 students.

The thing about the TAs..ya I agree with somewhat. Some TAs that I've had, are very very knowledgable and really cool to talk to. For us geos, it's more 4th years that TA than grad students. I can only hope that changes when I'm doing higher level classes!

I think MR will still have this 'lesser/lower' connotation attached to it for a bit, because lets face it, there are a lot of arrogant pricks at UofC!

The people I know personally that went to MR either didn't have good marks in high school (the majority I know) and went there, or went in from the beginning knowing they wanted to do the transfer program. Moreover, I know two peeps doing their CA at MR and one who just finished her nursing not long ago.

Again, good on Mount Royal for getting uni status, in no way is this a bad thing.

[scary_perry]

It's good news for Calgary.

[leftwing]

most people wanted to go to u of c instead of mt royal because they would graduate with a university degree rather then a college, but alot of mount royals degrees are actually university degrees which is why they can be named a university now (more then 80% of thier students are in university level programs or somthing like that) i personally go to mount royal, and never went to u of c, but i would prefer mount royal because of the small classes, ive heard some classes at u of c have more then 80 people in them. at mount royal you get a better student:teacher ratio, which i think is super important, and i love mount royal, i think its wicked.

i dont think one is better then the other, the u of c just has rep of being higher quality because was the only uni in calgary.

ps. anyone know or speculate what will happen with our sports teams? are we CIS now? or still in the acac?

[Pahnda]

I never got why people always say how a small student to teacher ratio is simply better. Isn't the point of post-secondary to make you an independent thinker who can stand on their own or with their peers in the work they do?

Small class sizes make sense in high school when the teachers are expected to run through drills with students, spot problems students are having and correct them and essentially be the proactive ones.

I don't mean this in a jackass-ish way, but I honestly can't think of a reason, other than maybe in tutorials (which are broken into smaller groups regardless of where), why a small class size would simply be better, so it's an honest question to the guys saying it's 'better'. This is of course from my point of view in which I believe a university should be all about pushing the students to rely on themselves first and peers second and just having the resources there if those fail.

[dezmarez]

Originally posted by Pahnda
I never got why people always say how a small student to teacher ratio is simply better. Isn't the point of post-secondary to make you an independent thinker who can stand on their own or with their peers in the work they do?

Small class sizes make sense in high school when the teachers are expected to run through drills with students, spot problems students are having and correct them and essentially be the proactive ones.

I don't mean this in a jackass-ish way, but I honestly can't think of a reason, other than maybe in tutorials (which are broken into smaller groups regardless of where), why a small class size would simply be better, so it's an honest question to the guys saying it's 'better'. This is of course from my point of view in which I believe a university should be all about pushing the students to rely on themselves first and peers second and just having the resources there if those fail.

mount royal students still have the capability of going out and learning on their own...so why is it a problem if they can have the best of both worlds? why does a smaller class size prevent students from being independent thinkers? they still have the same capacity to do that,
much like the real world alot of students coming out of uni or college have someone mentor them, it doesnt prevent someone from being an independent thinker...the mentor guides them much like a teacher could to their students in a smaller class

[hampstor]

It took long enough to have the 'University' status... should've been done a long time ago.

The perceived value of a degree is determined by the employer, not the degree holder.

Just because you think a degree from MRU is equal to one from the UofC, the employer may (and most likely will for years to come) put more value on the same degree from the University of Calgary. Not trying to say MRU students don't work as hard as UofC students of course - it's just what i've seen over the years. in time i'm sure it will change.

[dezmarez]

Originally posted by hampstor
It took long enough to have the 'University' status... should've been done a long time ago.

The perceived value of a degree is determined by the employer, not the degree holder.

Just because you think a degree from MRU is equal to one from the UofC, the employer may (and most likely will for years to come) put more value on the same degree from the University of Calgary. Not trying to say MRU students don't work as hard as UofC students of course - it's just what i've seen over the years. in time i'm sure it will change.

that is probably the best argument yet!!

well put sir...

and at the same time...personality + MRU degree=Job
......................no personality + U of C degree= No Job

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by Pahnda
Isn't the point of post-secondary to make you an independent thinker who can stand on their own or with their peers in the work they do?

No, that's the point of freewill.

It's amazing how many post-secondary graduates can't think on their own if it's not in a textbook or they're told how to.

Originally posted by hampstor
The perceived value of a degree is determined by the employer, not the degree holder.

Unless you're a Haskayne student that drank the Kool-aid

[hampstor]

Originally posted by dezmarez



that is probably the best argument yet!!

well put sir...

and at the same time...personality + MRU degree=Job
......................no personality + U of C degree= No Job

oh ya, I forgot to add 'all things equal' as well. I totally agree, the degree itself is only part of your toolbox when applying for a job.

It's the same struggle im sure new UofC graduates have when they compete against similar graduates holding degrees from more well known schools.

Originally posted by D'z Nutz


Unless you're a Haskayne student that drank the Kool-aid

I always get a chuckle at management students who think they're king shit with no real experience.

[Pahnda]

Originally posted by dezmarez

mount royal students still have the capability of going out and learning on their own...so why is it a problem if they can have the best of both worlds? why does a smaller class size prevent students from being independent thinkers? they still have the same capacity to do that,
much like the real world alot of students coming out of uni or college have someone mentor them, it doesnt prevent someone from being an independent thinker...the mentor guides them much like a teacher could to their students in a smaller class

I'm not saying they don't. I'm just saying I wouldn't say small classes are a strong selling point when the goal of a university is to get students to become independent thinkers and rely on themselves.

Regardless of class sizes, I've never had a problem walking in and talking to a professor about anything; In fact I did it a fair amount during university to talk about research and grad studies. The kind of mentoring that I think is afforded in real life is if you have a problem you talk to your mentor. I'm saying, the only advantage I could see (currently) is that the professor can give more individualized support to students. This doesn't mean students cannot become selfreliant, it just doesn't put as much emphasis on the idea for those who have a hard time pushing themselves to selfreliance

[nosegrindR]

Originally posted by Russo

You r an idiot...

Mount Royals education is better then UofC's in my opinion.
BTW I went to both schools....

maybe you should go to both schools before trash talking....

I'm not trash talking, just speaking out of experience.

I have taken Computer Science courses at both MRC and UofC and I can confidentially say the courses that I took at UofC were definitely tougher than that of MRC.

Back in the day, if anybody couldn't pass a weeder course at UofC they would take it at MRC and pass with a breeze. (Math 271 to name one.)

MRC's standards may have changed since, but at the time, it was a place where people who got rejected from Universities defaulted to.

That being said, I'm glad to have gotten a degree from UofC versus MRC.

[R154]

U of C Science Student : "MRU doesnt have the same program, MRU May never have the same lab capability".

U of C Basket Weaving: (I will leave this to your interpretation, so as not to offend the "artsy-er", beyond members : "MRU?? HA! I raise you DeVry!!!!!!!" Bitches I am in university!!!"

U of C Haskayne Student : "Nigga, I attend the best damned school in the world. I am not only the smartest, but the best dressed donald trump apprentice is my bitch student ever. What in the fuck is McMaster? I DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE MCGILL IS MAAAAN?!?!?"

U of C Engineering Student : "100Million over 5 years, Where the fuck it go man, And why the hell are all of our theaters so f^*&king cold??? Engineer me some warm air please."

Bottom line, U of C is one of the worst schools (for reputation) among other universities in canada anyways. We really cant turn up are noses in all reality. We have a killer networking opportunities!!! Oh wait... how many O&G bound students are jobless... oh. Well that was 30-40grand out the window and 4 years I'll never get back. (Just kidding )

Oh no, MRC becoming a university cheapens my degree! No it doesnt, the same way that just because the U of L and U of A are in the same province and offer some of the same courses, doesnt mean U of A Med isnt world class. It just clearly shows one truely IS a clown college. MRC has NEVER been a clown college, just offered alternative programs. Just because you didnt like any of those programs, doesnt mean they arent useful and worthy to someone else.

Point is, MRU will continue to cater to specialised "undergrad" education that the U of C plain doesnt have. Things like Criminology and other bits and pieces. (I am not an MRC Student, so please one chime in and supplement my point).

As U of C student, I can hardly turn up my nose at MRU, considering if they ever get an Engg school, it would probably dominate Schulich. Sorry. Smaller class sizes + Fluid Mech = much easier to ask questions in lecture DURING lecture.

Haskayne and its students will always be on that tip, no worries hate will continue.