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    Default H1N1 Vaccine. Is it safe?

    Just read this article I found featuring a UBC PHd discussing many irregularities regarding the contents and safety data of the H1N1 vaccine. Now I'm on the fence if I should still get the shot this Wednesday or not. I'd love to hear other people's opinions on this article. Here's the link. I've followed it up with some choice quotes, but please read the whole article as these quotes are just the tip of the iceberg :

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    Looking for answers, Shaw turned to the 24-page product-information leaflet on the vaccine released by drug giant GlaxoSmithKline. Health Canada used this document in approving the shot.

    The leaflet leaves Shaw cold. “You couldn’t turn this in as a master’s thesis anywhere I know of and get a passing grade,” he said, calling the leaflet a “shocking document”.

    Shaw said the material lacks basic information. For example, there is no safety data at all for several groups of people—pregnant women, people aged over 60, kids aged 10 to 17, and children under three. For kids three to nine years old, there is only “very limited” data.
    One of the best examples involves a controversial ingredient present in the H1N1 vaccine: thimerosal. Thimerosal is a form of mercury used in some vaccines as a preservative. Drug makers agreed to phase it out of most vaccines after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration found in 1999 that mercury levels in children who had gotten multiple shots often exceeded safety levels set by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Nonetheless, thimerosal still remains in many flu vaccines.

    Controversy has raged for years about whether or not thimerosal is behind soaring childhood autism rates. While that debate continues, a 2008 study in the U.K. journal Toxicological and Environmental Chemistry found that boys who were given a vaccine containing thimerosal were nine times more likely to have developmental problems than unvaccinated boys.

    The Public Health Agency of Canada says on its Web site that thimerosal is safe and that the amount in the H1N1 vaccine is below Health Canada’s daily safety limit set for mercury. “There’s significantly less mercury in the vaccine than you would find in a can of tuna fish,” the site states.

    In fact, the amount of mercury in the nonadjuvanted H1N1 vaccine does actually exceed the daily safety level for pregnant women. Health Canada has established the safe dietary level of mercury for pregnant women at 0.2 micrograms (millionths of a gram) per kilo of body weight. The nonadjuvanted H1N1 vaccine contains 25 micrograms of mercury.

    Simple math tells us an average Canadian pregnant woman—weighing 80 kilograms at term—gets about 56 percent more than the daily safe level of mercury when given a dose of the nonadjuvanted vaccine. By the EPA’s stricter standards, that same dose is actually triple its daily safe level.

    What’s more, Shaw notes, those daily safety levels were set for consumption of mercury in food, not for injection directly into the body. Injecting a neurotoxin like mercury has much more impact than eating it, he said.

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    somehow i'm not surprised by this article...it seemed so rushed
    anyway i didn't get it
    i'm not dead yet

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    Originally posted by slinkie


    somehow i'm not surprised by this article...it seemed so rushed
    anyway i didn't get it
    i'm not dead yet
    +1, I had some a lot of snot recently, and couldn't shit for a couple of days, but other than that I'm alive.

    I'm not getting this shot. There's far too much controversy involved.

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    howbout suck my black kettle...

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    imo another media fear storm

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    Maybe, but I sincerely believe the internet is responsible for most any high levels of scrutiny for stuff like this, and that television media can't NOT report on it. There was a day where people lined up for this type of stuff unquestioningly. Fortunately those times are changed, I guess.

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    Ask TKRIS. He will tell you that the government says the shot is safe, and that no one has been able to prove otherwise. He gets it all the time.

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    H1N1 shot blamed for Calgary woman's rare disorder

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...-disorder.html
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    Speaking of H1N1 reactions, anyone remember the "walking backwards cheerleader"?




    Yeah, she's either crazy or just an attention whore.

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    I got the vaccine back in October... the only reaction I have is an ongoing, intermitent desire for flesh and brains.

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    *racks shotgun*


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    Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
    Speaking of H1N1 reactions, anyone remember the "walking backwards cheerleader"?




    Yeah, she's either crazy or just an attention whore.
    I disagree, and I think that's a false dichotomy.
    Obviously, her issues were not, physiologically, caused by the flu vaccine. That's pretty clear even if you're not a doctor, just by looking at the timeline.
    That said, I doubt she's crazy, and I doubt she's making it up.

    Novella, the doctor in that video, (who's also the host of Skeptic's Guide to the Universe, founder of the "Science Based Medicine" blog, and president of the New England SKeptical Society, BTW) posted a follow up here:
    http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=1558
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    Originally posted by slinkie
    imo another media fear storm
    H1N1 itself turned out to be another media fear storm.

    No point getting the shot.

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    I didn't get one and neither did 99% of people I know.

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    Got it and i'm still fine
    Though i do think it wasn't neccesary

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    i wouldnt get the shot now. I got and am not dead. Just got sick for the first time this weekend and I am 99% better so who knows what the hell it was.
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    I still have not had the shot.

    I have however been sharpening all my garden tools in preparation for taking out those that did.

    Additionally i have been working on my cardio, and have seen 28 days later 6 times; im ready bitches.
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    Completely safe? No. But consider the percentage of Canadians that have taken the H1N1 shot and had no side effects (probably 10 million or so)

    Bill Gates doesn't donate $10 Billion to vaccinations for frivolity. There is definite real benefit to the human race through vaccinations.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60S3K420100129

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    I've worked with this lady for the past few years...she's not disclosing the other medical conditions that she has...

    Got the vaccine - no side effects except for a sore arm for about a day

    Originally posted by kenny
    H1N1 shot blamed for Calgary woman's rare disorder

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...-disorder.html

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    I can tell you right now from first hand experience that the H1N1 - the disease itself - is relatively safe.

    I didn't get the vaccine, got sick, then recovered fine. Certainly people have died from it, and at the very least it can be unpleasant. But if you're healthy, with no respiratory diseases, you should be fine. Temper that immune system a bit.

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    Originally posted by Aleks
    I didn't get one and neither did 99% of people I know.


    none in our family got it. even my family doctor and her family didn't get it.

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