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    Default Higher-earning Families Part of St. Albert's Appeal

    http://www.stalbertgazette.com/artic...lberts-appeals

    In the past few months it has become apparent to the people of St. Albert that a proposed project by Habitat for Humanity has been planned for an area of Akinsdale. At first word of this my wife and I had no comment as we believed this would not affect us, but as time wears on we have come to realize that this is an issue that will affect all St. Albert residents.

    My family and I are homeowners in a new development in Kingswood. We moved our family and business to St. Albert so our children could have what we believed would be a better upbringing. The list of amenities made the decision easy; some examples are good schools and programs (not so crowded), low crime, a higher standard of living, great recreational possibilities and numerous other aspects. Every example owes itself to one major factor: high or above-average income.

    The average family income for St. Albert is higher than in Edmonton or any other area municipality. We moved to St. Albert because we can afford it and we deserve it. This is a great city with great families. We feel comfortable joining in activities we would not have considered in Edmonton.

    This development is a bad idea for St. Albert for both current residents and the people who will occupy the new development. Current residents will have to deal with the likeliness of children influenced by crime in our schools and adults in our community. Our cost of living will increase as we will have to pay for low-income subsidies due to higher school fees or other taxes. We won’t feel comfortable taking our kids to activities like movie night in the park or other St. Albert events for fear that there will be unruly families. We can assure each other that measures will be taken to prevent this influence, but that’s not what we want.

    We don’t want a police presence at family outings. We don’t want to worry about drugs at elementary schools or gang fights at the high schools. We don’t want to worry about people speeding, possibly hitting our kids, or having to increase our police force. What we want is for St. Albert to remain as it is with very few low-income households, a place for families that work hard to live here. You can say we will screen to make sure those families won’t make the cut, but there is no level of pre-screening that will prevent some form of crime from infiltrating the proposed development. It will happen, guaranteed.

    This will start a landslide of things that will turn southeast St. Albert into a low-income area instead of middle class. Low-income families will have difficulty up-keeping the proposed development, and in turn it will bring down the value of the surrounding houses. This sounds unjustified; look at some of the Habitat for Humanity developments in Edmonton where this has already occurred.

    This development will be hard for the families moving in. Being low income will make it difficult for children to be accepted in local schools. Like it or not, the children of St. Albert are high-standard children and have no place for low-income classmates. When we first moved to St. Albert our teen had a hard time fitting in because of money and it was hard on him. Now he is good, but it did not go away with just a loving hug — his status was accomplished once his friends saw our house and other possessions. It sounds cruel but that is how it is; ask your children, they will tell you.

    Sports activities in St. Albert are another problem area. Sure the base costs are the same as other areas, but the teams here expect more financially from families. In Edmonton there are recreational activities at the YMCA; there are no subsidies for families in St. Albert, nor do we want to pay for it. Our family membership to Servus Place is $1,300 a year plus costs for Fountain Park and other activities, but we can afford it. Putting low-income families in this situation is not reasonable or fair — it would be like giving a new car to someone that can’t afford the gas. They would be better off with a bus pass. I am all for low-income housing in Edmonton. I believe more independent living housing is required in St. Albert and would be better suited than this proposal.

    Chris and Karleena Perry, St. Albert

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    KILL THE POOR.




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    There goes the neighborhood.

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    ^ Werd to the first post. Pardon my language but I think these people are fucking nuts..... (In my opinion)

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    serious?

    this is not beverly hills.
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    Look at what's happened to the NE and parts of the SE.

    In my inner city neighborhood, things are getting worse due to people purchasing homes as investment properties and filling them with tenants who have zero pride of ownership or reason to care about the long term quality of life in the community they are living in.

    The truth hurts.

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    Damage control...

    http://www.vancouversun.com/Albertan...tml?id=2765215

    EDMONTON -- Chris Perry admits it: when he went public opposing a low-income housing project in his posh Alberta suburb, he could have chosen his words with a little more care.

    The St. Albert man apologized on the weekend for what he says was a poorly worded letter he wrote to his local city councillors - published in the local paper - opposing a proposed Habitat for Humanity project, linking it with elevated crime rates and "unruly" families.

    "The way I came across was just terrible," said Perry, 35. "I do apologize to everybody for that."

    In the letter, Chris and Karleena Perry write that the project will affect all residents of St. Albert, a high-income district just north of Edmonton.

    "The average family income for St. Albert is higher than in Edmonton or any other area municipality. We moved to St. Albert because we can afford it and we deserve it. This is a great city with great families. We feel comfortable joining in activities we would not have considered in Edmonton," says an excerpt from the letter.

    "This development is a bad idea for St. Albert for both current residents and the people who will occupy the new development. Current residents will have to deal with the likeliness of children influenced by crime in our schools and adults in our community. Our cost of living will increase as we will have to pay for low-income subsidies due to higher school fees or other taxes.

    "We won't feel comfortable taking our kids to activities like movie night in the park or other St. Albert events for fear that there will be unruly families. We can assure each other that measures will be taken to prevent this influence, but that's not what we want."

    Outrage over Perry's comments spread quickly as links to the letter were posted on social media such as Twitter and Facebook.

    Perry said he has made a point of trying to better explain himself by responding to requests for media interviews and to angry e-mails and phone calls since his letter was published.

    "The reaction, a lot of it has been negative," said Perry. "People said, 'I understand your point, but you came across as an ass,' and I do agree with that."

    Perry said he is opposed to the Habitat for Humanity project because the proposed site for the development is too small, doesn't have adequate parking and will create traffic problems in the area. Perry said he fears that development will spur similar developments in St. Albert that are poorly planned, eventually leading to more social problems in the community.

    "What I was trying to say was this development needs to be thought out more," he said. "I didn't intend on discriminating against low-income families."

    Habitat for Humanity is an organization that provides affordable housing to low-income families. To participate in the program, clients must earn at least $32,000 per year and spend hundreds of hours helping to build homes.

    The Perrys' letter, which is posted on the St. Albert Gazette's website, has sparked a firestorm of responses on blogs and other Internet sites such as Twitter.

    Habitat for Humanity Edmonton CEO Alfred Nikolai said he was stunned by the letter's contents.

    "It's so not typical of the type of community support our organization gets," he said.

    "There are no guns hanging out of the windows here. It's just foolishness."

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    That article made me laugh. What a fucking tool. Afraid of the crime in St. Albert? Buddy needs to get out more. It's not the fucking projects of Baltimore.

    Most self-entitled BWM driving douchebags like this at least have the common-sense to keep their opinions within friends. I don't know what kind of response he expected, but if he couldn't foresee this reaction then someone is paying him too much to do whatever it is he does.

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    OP: How the hell can you say "I didn't intend on discriminating against low-income families"? Thats all your WHOLE LETTER did. You had as much time as you wanted to write a tactful and effective letter, and you just sounded like a pretentious douchebag who's trying too hard to be upper-middle class.

    It's really too bad. I can empathize with you, and would be disappointed as well if I was in the same situation, however your letter was probably counter-productive to your cause.
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    Originally posted by cjblair
    OP: How the hell can you say "I didn't intend on discriminating against low-income families"? Thats all your WHOLE LETTER did. You had as much time as you wanted to write a tactful and effective letter, and you just sound like a pretentious douchebag who's trying too hard to be upper-middle class.

    It's really too bad. I can empathize with you, and would be disappointed as well if I was in the same situation, however your letter was probably counter-productive to your cause.
    OP isn't the miscreant author of the letter.
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    Ahhhhh.

    I'm an idiot. Sorry OP.


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    Originally posted by FiveFreshFish
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    http://www.vancouversun.com/Albertan...tml?id=2765215

    Haha what a douche. He could have at least stuck to his guns rather than try to bullshit his way out of it. "I didn't really mean all that stuff about how poor people will ruin the neighbourhood with crime and being poor, I meant the parking will be bad"

    I can respect that the people in this position are unhappy. The impact will not be nearly as severe as most think, and breaking down the segregation of rich vs poor is immensly important for creating opportunities for the impoverished to help themselves. However, there will still be an impact that the original residents did not bring upon themselves.

    The heroic and charitable thing to do would be to put up with what will be a relatively minor inconvenience, but it's human nature to be pissed off when someone else creates a problem for you, big or small.

    Back to the OP, one thing that made me literally LOL was the idea that there would be no crime or drugs in the neighbourhood if they kept it middle/upper class. Because obviously bored middle class teens never sell drugs or get into fights
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    WOW this guy screwed up good, what a moron.

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    Here's more of his comments to the media in full damage control mode...

    http://www.inews880.com/Channels/Reg...spx?ID=1214408

    What a moran!

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    At least the guy could have provided some concrete examples where one could subjectively compare the "before and after" effect of low income subsidized housing. There are many relevant examples, just be sure to base your prejudice on solid intelligence...not sprout off like an ass.

    That being said; Prejudice is not a crime, nor is it wrong to exercise. It may now be a politically incorrect topic, but it has provided a distinct advantage when it comes to survival. It appears to me that Chris & Karleena Perry are reacting the way I would expect anyone in their position to.

    Those saying that they would do otherwise (and welcome the less fortunate into their neighborhood) are just kidding themselves.

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    Why St Albert when there must be tons of good spots in Edmonton.

    Jobs are in big city, won't it make more sense to have their housing in closer proximity to their jobs?

    Either way, while he sounds like a douche, but I don't think he's the first one who complain when less desirable neighbor moves in. Remember that whole fiasco with that temporary homeless shelter?
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    What a selfish bastard (the letter writer) he probably just doesn't want his sweet little rich bitch princess getting fucked by poor punks.

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    zero qualms with what he said, makes a valid arguement at least anecdotaly.

    We are not a socialist country. You want to live in a safe, gated community somewhere, go right a head.

    However, be wary of the logical conclusions to which the author's thoughts lead. It starts with the well intentioned generalities of "lets keep it clean and family oriented" and over the last 30 years in the US, it's become twisted into fascist style HOA's and community bylaws.

    Just be careful what you wish for.

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    The letter comes off as mega-douchy... but 'subsidized housing' isn't as straight forward as 'everyone wins cause we built affordable housing in a nice part of town.'

    There's a subsidized housing project that's just finishing construction by where I live. It's right on the corner of 8th Street and 4th Ave SW in Eau Claire... so if you're a single mother, the new building is within sight of Crack Mac's (8th St, 7th Ave)... obviously great for kids, who'll likely have to take transit to get to their elementary/junior high school cause there are none in the core. There are no 'cheap' grocery stores (ie: Superstore/Sobeys) around... just Safeway and Co-op, and those are both about a 15 minute walk away. I don't know why they didn't build this by a c-train station in a part of town more suited for raising a family. There are no elementary schools near by... it's in the fucking core! There's traffic jams at your door step every day! Your kids can hang out with bums as they wait for transit on their way to school!

    So what if it's downtown if you don't have any affordable amenities?
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    Originally posted by Super_Geo
    In my case the subsidized housing project is being constructed in Eau Claire, and frankly I have no idea why they chose the spot. It's right on the corner of 8th Street and 4th Ave SW...
    Is that the one with a fire hall on the bottom?

    I don't think that is affordable housing any more.

    NVM, east tower is affordable housing, west tower is private apartments which is kinda odd. Who would want to live above a fire station.
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