8-15 chinese tourists killed in Manila...embarrassing special forces team

[Old Snake]

Originally posted by v2kai


I hope they do hold it against them so something changes.

I just hope the people who are in-charge of negotiations and tactical operations during the crisis get fired. My hope is that China/HK (edit: and the Philippines as well) will be able to overcome this tragedy and make something positive out of a bad situation.

[gyu]

They should've done this to the guy when they were negotiating:

[flipstah]

More news to share:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/08...ks-ncrpo-chief

Watching a live coverage of a Senate probe of what happened during the crisis, some things that was discovered (no source yet but once I have it, I'll post it):

- Gas masks were there but they didn't bring it
- There was a Special Action Force unit on the scene which was better equipped, better trained, and less pussified, ready to go but cannot act as the ground commander did not request their assistance
- Can't afford flashbangs

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/me...lled-cops-guns

[CHICHARITZHI]

Im hoping china will not launch a missile to Phils..

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/08...-bloody-finish

[flipstah]

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/08...-manila-hijack

Mabanta said the police accepted the offer of the specialist squad, but then did not use it in resolving the hostage-taking.

"The Light Reaction Company which we presented as a very viable alternate is highly-trained, highly-equipped, standards coming from the U.S. armed forces," he told a media briefing.

"It's specialty is hostage-taking and release of hostages."

The police have said there had been defects including poor handling of the negotiations, and that the assault team was inadequately trained, equipped and led.

Light Reaction squads are used to fight Islamist militants of the Abu Sayyaf group in the southern Philippines, Mabanta said.

On Wednesday, Chief Superintendent Rodolofo Magtibay, the head of police in area of the capital where the bloody siege took place, stood down while it was investigated. A police spokesman had said Magtibay was the ground commander.

On Thursday, Magtibay told a Senate inquiry he had not called for extra help as he thought the SWAT team could handle the situation.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/insights/...0%93-carlo-osi

The general characteristics of Philippine policemen are unflattering. They’re typically overweight, undisciplined, lack training and arrogant. They initiate corrupt acts, torture suspects and consistently fail to protect the public. It’s like having no reliable police force at all. It matters not whether the policeman is a lowly police inspector fresh from their so-called training or a senior officer who holds sway in the national headquarters. The reek is the same.

It has, therefore, never been the instinct of many of our countrymen to automatically call the police if there is a complicated problem, disturbance or possible criminal activity. Many feel that cops may have been the brains or the muscle behind such incident in the first place. People might even be more comfortable speaking with the barangay tanod or captain when matters get out of hand. There is very little trust in Philippine policemen.

He's got it in the bag. Whenever cops came near us, they usually asked us for bribes in order to get out of unexplainable traffic violations (no U-turn even though there's a sign that says 'U-turn lane') or by-law violations. Ridiculous and pretty much, they did it to themselves.

[iCreep]

Originally posted by flipstah
first news article here

God what a piss off! The AFP sound SOOOOO much more better trained and equipped. MP5's and P90's. They definitely dont sound like pussies compared to the SWAT team.

edit: all this shit about them knowing they weren't properly equipped and what not, if you KNEW THAT then why didn't you hand over the operation to the AFP!?!?! fucking retards.

[1barA4]

From Flipstah's second link
(http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/me...lled-cops-guns)

MANILA, Philippines - A police official admitted Tuesday the possibility that some Hong Kong tourists taken hostage by dismissed Senior Inspector Rolando Mendoza may have been hit by stray bullets fired by a police assault team that went after the hostage taker.

...

He said the operatives' firearms will be subjected to ballistic tests by the Philippine National Police's (PNP) Crime Laboratory in Camp Crame.

...and what is the credibility of the PNP Crime Lab? Is it the same one that the PNP use to frame people for extortion?

[flipstah]

Originally posted by 1barA4
From Flipstah's second link
(http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/me...lled-cops-guns)



...and what is the credibility of the PNP Crime Lab? Is it the same one that the PNP use to frame people for extortion?

Same people!

This time though, the Chinese are doing their own investigation and if they find another conclusion, heads are going to roll.