The truth about NATO and United States

[Konj]

[broken_legs]

36:00 -38:00 Beautiful observations on how the media was a tool of the administration in the lead up to Yugoslavia


There CUG, you dont have to watch the whole thing now

Heres Another spot for you, since we are talking about Libya in 6 other threads right now.

47:50

"Khadaffis sin, was that he nationalized the oil companies, and started spending the profits from the oil on the people in column B (middle class people), on things like reforestation, health and education, clinics"

Random FYI: Libya is/// was a Socialist Republic


57:50 - 59:30 This is what will happen to Libya


59:30 - 1:00:30 This applies to you and 911fever, and a few other flies on the chariot wheel.


1:01:30 - This is what just happened to Libya

1:06:15 - This is what will happen to Libya

Originally posted by CUG
This is a wicked video and from an educated and credible source.





Did you even listen to the closing statements with respect to Milosevic and the Serbs?
1:09:00 on.

"To say that these atrocities for the most part are contrivances and propaganda, is not to say that Milosovich and the serbs are blameless and that they're angels. I'm not saying that at all! I'm not saying that we even have to be fans of any one side. Regardless of what you think of those people, certainly you can see THAT THIS BOMBING IS A HORRIBLE THING"

Man that perfectly sums up my opinion on Libya.

I love this guy! You were so right CUG!

1:15:00 How to Pull Out: "Cease Fire" + "NATO Disbands"

[CUG]

Reserved for rebuttal to broken_legs horribly inept observation.

Edit: This is Parenti's bio:
http://www.michaelparenti.org/biography.html

Michael Parenti received his Ph.D. in political science from Yale University. He has taught at a number of colleges and universities, in the United States and abroad. Some of his writings have been translated into Arabic, Azeri, Bangla, Chinese, Dutch, French, German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Persian, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Serbian, Spanish, Swedish and Turkish.

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by CUG
This is a wicked video and from an educated and credible source.

[broken_legs]

And one more just so you have to read it again.

Originally posted by CUG
This is a wicked video and from an educated and credible source.

[broken_legs]

"Go bomb your girlfriend, Tony Blair"

Originally posted by CUG
This is a wicked video and from an educated and credible source.

[CUG]

This is a wicked video and from an educated and credible source. broken_dink, Konj is an example you should follow.

[JordanAndrew]

Saving a spot as well for whatever.

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by CUG
This is a wicked video and from an educated and credible source. broken_dink, Konj is an example you should follow.

The more attention your crusade against me brings to real issues, the better.

Thanks for the help.

The only real problem is that everything this guy is saying completely flies in the face of everything you argue on beyond.

Does that mean that you endorse his opinions?



TOMA is going to blow his load when he listens to this.

[CUG]

Originally posted by broken_legs


The more attention your crusade against me brings to real issues, the better.

Thanks for the help.

My crusade is against illogical stupidity. If you feel you fall into that category, then I'd advise utilizing more a more logically sound approach in what you say, and the evidence you present.

Though you may not like my observations with respect to your illogical praxis', you'll be forever indebted to me for the revisions you will make when addressing these issues. Could you imagine having properly addressed and considered all elements of an issue, giving all of them sufficient scrutiny, and having an legitimately immovable position on the overall topic?

When you come to a conclusion properly, you will sound much more intelligent and rely less on logical fallacies for support.

Logical Fallacies:

1)Ad-Hominem: Personal attack on your opponent rather than an attack on opponents arguments.

2) Ad-Misericordiam: A false appeal to the emotions.

3) Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc: Establishes a questionable cause and effect relationship between events, assuming that Y, followed X, therefore X must have caused Y. (I call that confusing proximity of action and causality. For instance: I cough, and you get sick, it's not necessarily so that I caused your sickness.)

4) Circular Arguments: "Well, TV is the devil, because TV is the devil."

5) False Analogy: Comparing two things that are not alike, or connecting ideas that are logically irrelevant.

6) Ad-populum: Manipulates the anticipated emotional reaction from an audience by appealing to VAGUE ideas that are important to the group (aka bandwagon appeal). If many people agree with a statement, it's truth is assumed, but never verified. The idea that the social conscience of an issue is the sole component of logical soundness.

7) Slippery Slope: The assumption that one event will inevitably lead to another more extreme event (without explanation)

8) False Opposites

9) Overgeneralization: The assumption that because one observation is valid in one instance, that similar observations must also be valid in all instances.

10) Oversimplification: Reduces complex issues to simplistic descriptions or conclusions.

I've routinely seen you and your company guilty of 1,2,3,6,9, and 10.


Edit: No, I don't agree that the United States is the cause of all chaos in the world.

Q: Do I believe the US and Co has a reason to support a Libyan revolution?

A: Yes, Ghaddaffi is violently attacking innocent people who want change, and any good humanist would stand up for those who cannot stand up for themselves.

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by CUG
Logical Fallacies:

1)Ad-Hominem: Personal attack on your opponent rather than an attack on opponents arguments.

2) Ad-Misericordiam: A false appeal to the emotions.

3) Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc: Establishes a questionable cause and effect relationship between events, assuming that Y, followed X, therefore X must have caused Y. (I call that confusing proximity of action and causality. For instance: I cough, and you get sick, it's not necessarily so that I caused your sickness.)

4) Circular Arguments: "Well, TV is the devil, because TV is the devil."

5) False Analogy: Comparing two things that are not alike, or connecting ideas that are logically irrelevant.

6) Ad-populum: Manipulates the anticipated emotional reaction from an audience by appealing to VAGUE ideas that are important to the group (aka bandwagon appeal). If many people agree with a statement, it's truth is assumed, but never verified. The idea that the social conscience of an issue is the sole component of logical soundness.

7) Slippery Slope: The assumption that one event will inevitably lead to another more extreme event (without explanation)

8) False Opposites

9) Overgeneralization: The assumption that because one observation is valid in one instance, that similar observations must also be valid in all instances.

10) Oversimplification: Reduces complex issues to simplistic descriptions or conclusions.

How ironic you should accuse another of arguing fallacies.

[CUG]

Originally posted by broken_legs


How ironic you should accuse another of arguing fallacies.

Your pride won't allow you to publicly thank me, or acknowledge how correct I am, but I trust you'll revise yourself appropriately. In turn, I think we'll see less illegitimate conspiracy theory, and I'll be thanked for my public service by others.

[Toma]

Great Video... thanks, hadn't seen it.

[CUG]

Oh come on Parenti, don't quote The European.

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by CUG
Your pride won't allow you to publicly thank me, or acknowledge how correct I am, but I trust you'll revise yourself appropriately. In turn, I think we'll see less illegitimate conspiracy theory, and I'll be thanked for my public service by others.

I've already thanked you once. Must I do it again?

Originally posted by broken_legs
Thanks for the help.

Your work here is done. Beyond, and the rest of the interweb is in your debt. You may go now.

[CUG]

Originally posted by broken_legs


I've already thanked you once. Must I do it again?



Your work here is done. Beyond, and the rest of the interweb is in your debt. You may go now.

Did you even listen to the closing statements with respect to Milosevic and the Serbs?

[broken_legs]

Originally posted by CUG
Did you even listen to the closing statements with respect to Milosevic and the Serbs?

57:50 - 59:30 This is what will happen to Libya


59:30 - 1:00:30 This applies to you and 911fever, and a few other flies on the chariot wheel.


1:01:30 - This is what just happened to Libya

[CUG]

1:09:00 on.

[v2kai]

great post, great video. I will be sharing this.

[Konj]

Originally posted by v2kai
great post, great video. I will be sharing this.