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    Default US Economic Collapse....

    Peter Schiff is of the opinion that it's going to start tomorrow..


    http://moneymorning.com/ob/warning-t...-on-aug-1st-2/

    Noted expert Peter Schiff says the U.S. economy is on the verge of an economic collapse worse than 2008 and is warning investors to take immediate steps to protect themselves.

    In a gripping interview on Yahoo Finance, Schiff warns that while the Fed's moves could "artificially" bolster the economy - and bring investors false hope that things are turning around - the truth is that the government will only be delaying the "Day of Reckoning."

    "If the Fed ultimately comes through with QE3... it won't strengthen the economy, but it will weaken the dollar," Schiff said, noting that Bernanke's policies will eventually lead to a Greek style debilitating sovereign debt crisis where the dollar plunges and consumer prices and interest rates spike.

    "We have a much bigger collapse coming, not just the markets, but of the economy. It's like what you're seeing in Europe right now only worse," Schiff said.


    The collapse could be set in motion as early as August 1st. That's the day that Fed chairman Ben Bernanke gives his annual remarks from Jackson Hole, Wyoming where many analysts expect Bernanke will announce plans for QE3 - and the next phase of money printing begins.

    He goes on to say that things will get truly ugly when we hit our fiscal cliff and have to slash government spending across the board.

    "People on entitlements like Social Security and Medicare... they're not going to get the benefits they've been promised. Government workers are going to have to take pay cuts... banks are going to fail... people are going to lose money, not just investors but depositors. The housing market is going to fall again."

    And Schiff isn't the only expert warning about the U.S. economy's dire predicament.

    A group of prominent scientists, economists and geopolitical experts have uncovered an emerging pattern... one they believe could soon hasten an American economic catastrophe - and a radical hit to the wealth and financial security of millions Americans.

    Editor's note: Germany's military held a secret investigation into this emerging pattern and concluded it could lead to "political instability and extremism." Click here to view this controversial investigation.

    A large part of this has to do with the velocity of total credit market debt. It's part of a pattern of accelerating debt - and few have been able to track the speed of it, which is growing at a rate even faster than just a few months ago.

    Chris Martenson, a highly acclaimed scientist and an expert on exponential growth, says the dangerous pattern of accelerating debt can go unnoticed at first. But what's happening underneath the radar is the speed of the doubling, which is now accelerating even faster to an unsustainable level.

    "That's when chaos breaks out," Martenson says.

    As of today, the total credit market debt is 357% larger than GDP. That represents an astounding $691,000 for a family of four in America.

    Yet the doubling period for this gets shorter at an exponential rate that increases every day. "It's a very dangerous exponential growth curve," says Martenson, "one that's setting us up for a situation worse than we've seen in Greece and across Europe."

    "Every American needs to know what this means and what steps to take with your finances, investments and day-to-day life to prepare for it, "Martenson added.

    "We need a vaccination for stupidity, with booster shots against an unwillingness to learn."

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    Real easte sale?

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    Let's create a militarized fence around alberta

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    Fence would not work. The US has about 3,000 manned fighters and 30,000 unmanned supersonic drones.

    They could fly one of those into Rob Anders ass' faster than Schiff could catch a penny heading to the floor.



    For a billionaire he sure is a real doomer. When you are rich, they just call it eccentricity.
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    Originally posted by Sugarphreak

    Schiff is always on about the doom and gloom... being that the economy is cyclical and always going up and down it is pointless to just prepare for the worst all the time.
    There are different scales of cyclical trends. Fluctuations in the stock market, unemployment rates and real estate prices given a stable economy are two of them. Then there are more serious cyclical trends such as the collapse of empires. The level of consequence is quite different depending on what happens. Eg. The Dark Ages following the collapse of the Roman Empire was probably a tad more severe than what we yuppies in Calgary consider cyclical fluctuations in our million dollar home prices. The article has a sensationalist title but Schiff isn’t the only one worried about what’s currently going on.

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    So the last empire to fall was the british at the end of imperialism / WW2 depending on how you want to look at it.

    That wasn't followed by something as dramatic as the Dark Ages.

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    What has he shorted, or how much cash is he sitting on waiting to buy stuff on the cheap when people panic?

    That he is manipulating the market was my first thoughts.

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    Let the markets crash....again... as they have done in the summer of the past 3 years... I make double digit percentage gains with inverse ETFs.




    "If the Fed ultimately comes through with QE3... it won't strengthen the economy, but it will weaken the dollar," Schiff said, noting that Bernanke's policies will eventually lead to a Greek style debilitating sovereign debt crisis where the dollar plunges and consumer prices and interest rates spike.
    I take some exception to this statement, if the US dollar index collapses, the markets will inflate significantly.
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    Should I fire sale things now or wait it out?
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    Originally posted by max_boost
    Should I fire sale things now or wait it out?
    Yes, you should sell me your Porsche for cheap. Porsche is useless when we don't have paved roads.

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    Originally posted by max_boost
    Should I fire sale things now or wait it out?
    I'll start the bidding for the Porsche at $25000

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    $26,000
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    $26001 Bob

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    Last edited by Cos; 01-02-2017 at 10:44 AM.
    Originally posted by adam c

    Line goes up, line goes down, line does squiggly things and fucks Alberta
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    Used to read Schiff all the time back when the US Housing bubble hadn't yet popped. There are some great youtube videos of him getting shouted down by professional wrestler Realtors on FoxNews in 2007.

    He got a lot right, but put his followers heavily into Eastern equities on the grounds that Asia would decouple leaving America in it's dust. American markets went down hard but Asia went down harder.

    I think the American Empire is failing too, but a big sweeping terrifying collapse seems unlikely in a world where govts can transfer debts from companies to taxpayers or to taxpayers in other countries, where they can print money and where they can change the rules of accounting to keep the big players "solvent" at all times. A long slow evisceration of the middle class through manipulation of the monetary and legal systems seems to be the way forward for the west.

    The fall of Detroit from the 1960s to today is probably a better model for America going forward. So Schiff is like the guy standing in the heart of the most powerful industrial city that the world had ever seen preaching about "the coming disaster".

    Turns out the crazy old man was right, but it all happened so slowly that it was never really clear what was happening except in hindsight.

    My worthless advice is to not worry about too much about the zombie apocalypse but still try to have enough cash on hand to weather a few months of unemployment or to buy assets whenever they go on sale during various mini-panics that will be used to justify more government and central bank interventions as we kick this can down the road rather than deal with fundamental problems.
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    Did the US market start collapsing today?
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    I'll give him 27k, and thats being generous, after all it is just a Porsche

    and that better include some dinner takeout. I can pick it up tonight.

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