Winter 2012/2013 Weather Discussion

[spikerS]

Didn't even stick to the roads, but it did make them wet, and the Calf Robe bridge did get a bit slick...about a dozen vehicles paid the price...LOL



I don't get why the city just doesn't put some sort of heating in that bridge deck triggered by freezing temps to stop this from happening...

[Boosted131]

I saw those same ones, was going north though and for some reason north was backed up too

[revelations]

What I dont get is why the city didnt ask the contractors last year to GROOVE the payment on the Crash Robe bridge.... like the flyover bridge to downtown

If they heated the bridge, it would only need to be heated around -5c to 0c ambient temperatures .... anything below that the snow just blows off anyway. (driving conditions are the worst around -5c to 0c).

[n1zm0]

i saw this probably just as it happened as there were no emergency vehicles there yet but there were lots of cars off to the side of the road that i could see

[spikerS]

yeah, we were stopped about 80 yards behind it, had to make way for all the emergency vehicles to get past us, so it happened maybe 15 seconds before we got there.

[Abeo]

Originally posted by revelations
What I dont get is why the city didnt ask the contractors last year to GROOVE the payment on the Crash Robe bridge.... like the flyover bridge to downtown

If they heated the bridge, it would only need to be heated around -5c to 0c ambient temperatures .... anything below that the snow just blows off anyway. (driving conditions are the worst around -5c to 0c).

Grooving is a great idea... but it seems they went for the "moon crater" surface treatment.

When you get steam off the river in -20, it gets mighty slick in the morning. I've seen plenty of people spin on bare concrete on the uphill going northbound in the morning. I don't understand how its so predictable when its going to be icy, but they don't do anything about it....

[J-D]

Originally posted by Abeo


Grooving is a great idea... but it seems they went for the "moon crater" surface treatment.

When you get stream off the river in -20, it gets mighty slick in the morning. I've seen plenty of people spin on bare concrete on the uphill going northbound in the morning. I don't understand how its so predictable when its going to be icy, but they don't do anything about it....

Gotta love the sewage outflow right upstream of the calf robe that steams it up too.

[speedog]

Same typical fools every year, don't matter what kind of vehicle/tires they've got. Saw 5 cars pounded up against the east side portland cement barrier a week ago on the bridge over the LRT from EB Anderson onto SB MacLeod - all that had happened weather wise was some snow/freezing rain that sure as shit is going to ice up multiple bridge decks and shazam, people driving like it's still summer and keeping the body shops busy.

Really, it's not a big deal, been driving for 35+ years now and haven't had a winter time accident and this all the while in a variety of FWD/RWD/4WD all season equipped vehicles. Have had many close calls where I've watched other fools come sliding towards me out of control because they have nary a clue as to how to operate their vehicle in slippery conditions and have only gotten out clean from these situations because I left myself enough room or an escape path.

Guess that's the biggest problem with most drivers - they have never been taught the dynamics of actually controlling their vehicle, how to perform skid control in a FWD versus RWD vehicle. Everyone needs to get out on a gravel road or on a slippery piece of road once in a while and run at a good speed to learn how to really operate their vehicle. They need to learn what their vehicle's various control systems can do (or not do) because operating a modern vehicle in adverse conditions is a whole lot different than a 1980's or older non-computerized vehicle - hell, I know so many people who haul off and pump the brakes on their ABS equipped vehicle because they just don't have a clue what their vehicle does, same people who are pounding these barriers on icy bridge decks because they just are too stupid to acknowledge that changing weather conditions just may affect the road surface they're traveling over in a very different way in a very short period of time.

It ain't rocket science, got up this morning to get my one kid to work. He drove and despite the roads being bare and dry in our neck of the woods, I still made him aware that he needed to be extra aware because of the recent snow/whatever and that things as simple as a bunch of wet leaves on the road can be dangerous - also gave him shit for not coming out to clear all the ice from the windows and making sure the wipers were ice free and ready to go (Dad thought about this), that that shit just doesn't magically disappear and it is his responsibility, as a driver, to make sure that his vehicle is not the first source of problems when he goes off on a drive.

[FraserB]

I love the hill from University Dr up to 16th Ave.

Every time it snowed or got icy, I'd see idiots stuck all up that hill, many spinning their tires with winters or stuck on the curb after trying to get over it to drive on the grass. Proper driving would have solved soooo many delays there, oddly enough I could walk right up it with mud terrain tires.

[revelations]

Originally posted by Abeo


Grooving is a great idea... but it seems they went for the "moon crater" surface treatment.
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Thats going to be hell to clear snow off from that for the operators.

[98type_r]

A few cities have installed automatic de-icing sprinkler type systems, I don't know why City Hall hasn't explored that yet.

[Cowtown_Raider]

Was this around 8pm last night, Spikers? I was heading South around that time over the bridge and experienced some high pucker factor. I felt almost no traction and promptly let off the gas and slowed to about 80. I checked my rear view mirror and a couple hundred metres back I noticed a car lose control. It looked like there was nobody around him/her so I couldn't tell if they recovered or slammed into the guard-rail.

[Maybelater]

Listen, you need a dashcam.

[baygirl]

Originally posted by Maybelater
Listen, you need a dashcam.

Shhhhhh....we need a radar detector more than we need a dash cam lol

[cancer man]

Here's an idea Winter Tires..

[syritis]

Originally posted by cancer man
Here's an idea Winter Tires..

truth. i'm mostly amazed at how people move around this city every day without even the slightest concept of physics.

[ddduke]

Originally posted by speedog

been driving for 35+ years now

WTF? how old are you?

[speedog]

Originally posted by ddduke
WTF? how old are you?

You know dirt? Not quite there.

[revelations]

Originally posted by cancer man
Here's an idea Winter Tires..

Stud or studless

[rage2]

Stoney was slippery too. I was on the OEM all seasons and the car did not want to stay in the lane. Wish I had the winters on already.

There were tons of cars in the ditch, and traffic was stopped at country hills due to a big accident. Lots of cops and firetrucks.

Fun stuff. All melted by morning.