Toma's come join me in hating Harper extravaganza

[mazdavirgin]

Originally posted by Toma
Not my, or your business. Sorry. Its a democraticaly decided issue. Harper has no right to decide whats fair.

Just another power grab, proof of his wanna be dictator status, and exposes you dictator supporters.

You pay taxes? Then yes it's your business. Public workers are beholden to the tax payers like it or not. This is just ridiculous. 15 days of sick leave you can bank per year ontop of the already hilariously generous vacation and the fact they are all unionized? No wonder everything costs so much damn money. The public servants are raiding the coffers.

PS: Can a mod have a chat with Toma about all these double posts? Kid has ADD or something.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Toma
And if Unios werent doing it, you think private sector would even be close in pay and benefits?

hahahahah

edit - so uhhhhh, your reference to Richard Branson then....we can assume his shit is Unionized? Because if not, you defeated your own argument before you even made it by evidencing that the private sector can do just fine.


original comment- I make more in the private sector and have more freedom/vacation/everything else than I did in Government. I was 12 years in so that was Union utopia with 4 weeks vacation, EDO's every second Monday, 2 weeks sick time, Cadillac benefits plan and 100% matched pension.

I'm much better taken care of in the private sector than before. But that's impossible so am I lying? Must be?

[Toma]

Originally posted by mazdavirgin


You pay taxes? Then yes it's your business. Public workers are beholden to the tax payers like it or not. This is just ridiculous. 15 days of sick leave you can bank per year ontop of the already hilariously generous vacation and the fact they are all unionized? No wonder everything costs so much damn money. The public servants are raiding the coffers.

PS: Can a mod have a chat with Toma about all these double posts? Kid has ADD or something.

Sorry buddy, paying your taxes does not entitle you to fuck with democracy, the Charter, Declaration, and stick your nose in others business etc. It only entitles you to live and enjoy the benefits of living within Canada.

And your whole argument lies on the erroneous presupposition that if these rights didnt exist, the government would give you a kickback on personal income tax, rather than waste it elsewhere, more corporate welfare etc.

[ExtraSlow]

JRDC00LUDE stop being a liar!

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
JRDC00LUDE stop being a liar!

I can't help it, it's my conservative nature.




(I'm actually not even really that conservative in my leanings)

I only commented due to the absurdity of such a blanket statement. Unions had a huge role in developing workers rights, of course. Some are still valuable and valid today, some are not. I'm just not drinking the "Union way or the highway" kool-aid. The only reason private sector will pay well or provide security and work balance, etc. is because a Union did it first? This isn't 1845.

[Toma]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


I make more in the private sector and have more freedom/vacation/everything else than I did in Government. I was 12 years in so that was Union utopia with 4 weeks vacation, EDO's every second Monday, 2 weeks sick time, Cadillac benefits plan and 100% matched pension.

I'm much better taken care of in the private sector than before. But that's impossible so am I lying? Must be?

Who said impossible, on a small scale? You are being blatantly morally dishonest.

The same holds true for me, my "real Job" is unmatchable by any Union that I am aware of. Nothing seems to beat subcontracting services to the Government. ;-)

But if you are suggesting that this applies, or even CAN apply to the majority of workers, yes, you are a liar.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Toma


Who said impossible, on a small scale? You are being blatantly morally dishonest.

The same holds true for me, my "real Job" is unmatchable by any Union that I am aware of. Nothing seems to beat subcontracting services to the Government. ;-)

But if you are suggesting that this applies, or even CAN apply to the majority of workers, yes, you are a liar.

You are being blatantly dishonest by making such a blanket statement. Unless of course the MAJORITY of the working public in this country who are doing well are Unionized. Is that the case? I don't know, but I sincerely doubt it.

I can say with absolute certainty that WELL under 10% of the people I know and am friends with are in a Unionized job and, while I am doing just fine, most of those poor non-Union people are doing better than I am. How is that FACT, that the MAJORITY OF WORKERS I know are doing great without a Union, morally dishonest?

Is it an anecdotal sample? Sure, but it's still a fact. I don't understand how someone can get their blinders on so tightly that they lose the capacity to see that not everything is black & white and wrapped up in the tiny little package they hold onto so dearly.

[Toma]

And I cant understand how an otherwise educated, smart young fella can espouse the blanket statement that "Unions are Terrible, and are no longer needed."

Then proceed to grasp onto the "I'm a taxpayer " argument as to why he is entitled to dictate terms to Unions, or other workers.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Toma
And I cant understand how an otherwise educated, smart young fella can espouse the blanket statement that "Unions are Terrible, and are no longer needed."

Then proceed to grasp onto the "I'm a taxpayer " argument as to why he is entitled to dictate terms to Unions, or other workers.

I believe you're speaking of mazda and I would agree. I'm not pro Union by any stretch but I am very aware of their former usefulness, a lot of good was done. I personally feel those days are done for the majority of them and that the number of harmful Unions outweighs the number of necessary ones.

[Toma]

"Collective Bargaining"

Lets add "child labour" to the list

[Toma]

[Toma]

Huh....

[Darell_n]

Originally posted by Toma

Doesn't exist in the US where unions were pioneered.

[Toma]

Originally posted by Darell_n


Doesn't exist in the US where unions were pioneered.

Sure it does.

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally posted by FraserB
Instead of posting why Harper is so bad, why don't you post (with references and verified facts) how the Liberals or NDP would do a better job of creating jobs, protecting the country and managing the economy both domestically and abroad?

FraserB, I knew you were a fellow with an appreciation for deflection.

[Mista Bob]

At this point, I could honestly say "Toma would do a better job than Harper" while keeping a straight face.

[Toma]

Bahahahhahaha

http://globalnews.ca/video/2160951/p...e-duffy-trial/

[FitterMike]

Originally posted by FraserB
Instead of posting why Harper is so bad, why don't you post (with references and verified facts) how the Liberals or NDP would do a better job of creating jobs, protecting the country and managing the economy both domestically and abroad?

I have asked this question to many left supporters and I have a hard time getting a straight answer.

Harper may not be perfect but he has done a lot of good for this country. For example.
http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2010/01...per-government

He is also the only candidate that supports the west. The other two candidates have pretty much came out and said they want to shutdown alberta which goes perfectly with what Notley wants to do to Alberta.

Like I said Harper might not be perfect and he is not, however out of the three he is still the best choice.

[Toma]

Originally posted by FitterMike


I have asked this question to many left supporters and I have a hard time getting a straight answer.

Harper may not be perfect but he has done a lot of good for this country. For example.
http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2010/01...per-government

He is also the only candidate that supports the west. The other two candidates have pretty much came out and said they want to shutdown alberta which goes perfectly with what Notley wants to do to Alberta.

Like I said Harper might not be perfect and he is not, however out of the three he is still the best choice.

References?

Cause you are on crack. lol.

See, the info is out there, and you dum dums refuse to open your eyes to ACTUAL data and information outside your faith and religion./.... so you keep spewing the same lies, over and over and over.

So why the fuck would a reasonable human waste his other time with your indoctrination?

EVERYTHING you said above is wrong....

[KRyn]

Originally posted by FraserB
Instead of posting why Harper is so bad, why don't you post (with references and verified facts) how the Liberals or NDP would do a better job of creating jobs, protecting the country and managing the economy both domestically and abroad?

Trudeau plans to grow the economy from the heart out!