Voting NDP is NOT a hopeless cause

[mo_virgin]

Originally posted by Gweedo
Hey sputnik calm down and listen, I dont understand why conservatives are always so mad! Chill the fuck out and take a step back to look at the whole picture

You ACTUALLY believe that because Alberta has a conservative government and Manitoba does not that is why you got a job in Alberta? HAHA There are SO many other factors that come into play of WHY you had to leave. What occupation are you in? Maybe that will say something

Here are 10 ways in which the NDP government has helped MB:
-Province Wide Smoking Ban, good for the enviroment
-Part funding on new Human Rights Museum, biggest in the world
-Lowered interest rates on student loans for University
-$165 million in strategic infrastructure funding including the keneston underpass and to fix the horrible maniotba roads
-Water purification plant complete overhaul
-Implementation of STEP services, a service that gets students work experience with the provincial government
-Increase in Min Wage for all of Manitoba
-The Protection for Persons In Care Act
-Early Childhood Development Continuum
-Implementation of Graduated Licencing

I can go on and on and on, conservatives DONT CARE about the unprivileged in society, why cut sooooo many taxes and then give the majority of those tax breaks to the rich?
Government should help EVERYONE in society and at the same time not sacrifice the enviroment

All conservative governments do is cut cut cut taxes. TAXES HELP PEOPLE. YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE IN CANADA IS BETTER BECAUSE OF OUR TAXES.

Your so blind because all you think about is your fucking bank account. Life goes further than that, you should be ashamed to call yourself a Canadian.

I can't bring myself to care about a province who receives welfare (equilization payments)

[Gweedo]

Its halarious how all of you assume im poor!!

Cuz if I was rich I would be just like YOU right? haha, actually I am not poor, my family is middle class and Ive done pretty good for myself
I live in my own house at the age of 21, and still have enough money to keep my hobby up of entering country wide car shows.

Regardless of all that i CARE ABOUT PEOPLE. I relize society is unfair and I strive to change it.

I assume all you conservatives are rich, because if you werent you might not be as blind.
THe world goes further than your bank account, if you keep funding big buisness it will come back to bite you in the ass.

http://pub61.ezboard.com/fthelandofb...picID=20.topic
Read this.

Why dont you all care about unprivileged people? I bet you all think the war in Iraq is a good thing too! Big buisness does more damage than good, and you say "they employ people" oh they sure do, and they treat them like shit. A Ceo of a company makes on avg 400X what his employee makes, do you believe that is ok? Why so? Why cant they just make 300X, oh wait one person needs 10 60" TV's while 1000 people cant even eat tonite.

Im not religious whatsoever if you think this is a factor for my argument, its not.
You people make me sick, I believe you are the ones living good off the backs of the poor people in this country, the more you take away from them (in social services) the more you make (upper class)

[method]

Originally posted by mo_virgin
If your Albertan... and your not conservative... you are bloody poor and retarded.

my mother is a doctor and my father owns a consulting firm. my whole family is liberal.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Socialism wouldnt work here, too many lazy ass people with no work ethic who would just mooch off the system. It works wonders in countries like Germany however, where the country is full of hard workers and the government spending goes towards education and technology amongst many other things

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Gweedo
Why dont you all care about unprivileged people?

it doesnt matter, and no government has the right to force me to care either.

freedom of choice buddy

[mo_virgin]

Originally posted by method


my mother is a doctor and my father owns a consulting firm. my whole family is liberal.

I was refering to NDP

[5.9 R/T]

Fuck all of you.

http://www.guinnessvote.ca/home.html

Go meet the newly appointed MOGT from Calgary.

[Toma]

I'm gonna be Canada's first socialist PM

Personally, I beleive in freedom, BUT I also beleive in our constitution wich guarantee Canada's resources belong to all Canadians....

So it makes no sense to take the Conservative and Liberal point of giving away our resources for peanuts... especially non renewable ones, and then charging us Albertan's market price for oil and natural gas.

It is my honest feeling that industry should be private, or public (as in publically traded companies), EXCEPT for essential services (ie stuff that is mandatory - like insurance), and natural resources/environment.

Not saying it wasn't mess in the past. Saying that under competant leadership and government it CAN work.

My sister has been an energy analyst for Yorkton, the government, Suncor, Enamax, and burlington. Her job was to "find" and determine owed Roylty payments to the province. Some of the BS and shit she found was sickening.....

Anyway, that is my opinionated rant for the morning

[thich]

Originally posted by Gweedo
Why dont you all care about unprivileged people? I bet you all think the war in Iraq is a good thing too! Big buisness does more damage than good, and you say "they employ people" oh they sure do, and they treat them like shit. A Ceo of a company makes on avg 400X what his employee makes, do you believe that is ok? Why so? Why cant they just make 300X, oh wait one person needs 10 60" TV's while 1000 people cant even eat tonite.

I can agree that some CEOs make ridiculous amounts of money, but they are paid for what they are doing and that is to help increase profits for a company.
In turn, that profit generated is reflected in the performance of the CEO. it's all market-based; ridiculous perhaps... but corporations are willing to shell it out.

some CEOs are happy with $1/year; others $100mil/year... I'd be happy with a $60k job + benefits if I were a CEO... but the mindset isn't there.
what you're arguing against is an ingrained societal perception of what CEOs and managers are supposed to be like.

i agree with what Redlyne said tho... socialism just doesn't work here unless you overhaul the entire education system and social values.

[Gweedo]

You conservatives are absolutely rediculous!!

You are completely against what I say but the only arguments you can come up with to counter are stuff like "commy" and "facist"

Why dont you form an argument and back it up with points? I can go on and on slamming down your bullshit but it wont get through those hard heads of yours!!
Just because you come from rich families and you have had everything handed to you in life you cant think out of the box!

ITS OK TO ADMIT THAT SOME PPL ARE MORE WELL OFF THAN OTHERS AND ITS OK TO WANT TO HELP THOSE PPL.

You are all in a position to change the way society is run! Why dont you try to make change rather than be a sheep like so many other Canadians. Dont be blinded by the media, and the HUGE US influence in your province
THE USA IS NOT THE SYSTEM WE SHOULD BE LOOKING UP TO. WE SHOULD BE PROTECTING OUR CANADIAN VALUES, well whats left of them.

Read read read, Do you people ever read books? seriously ask yourself that, then maybe you can recognize bias in newspapers and media and take an objective view to things rather than what you do now.

www.boyko.org/gweedo ---Start with reading this stuff

later

[thich]

actually my family is not rich.

we came from a refugee background after the VN war and we built our entire future here in Canada - HENCE why I am conservative.
We did everything ourselves with our own sweat and blood.
My dad NEVER EVER took a hand-out from the govt and still regards welfare as a waste of govt money.

the only way to change this country is by changing our value system and education system.
Vietnam's education system is built upon a strong work-ethic and group identity; North Americans are culturally individualistic and do not readily care for the welfare of others - especially those ppl who are UNWILLING to work to get out of their place in life.

I went thru the entire Canadian education system thus far with the indoctrination that it's all about YOU and no one else; look after NUMERO UNO first -- how do you expect ppl to care when the education system and society promote this kind of social value?

[sputnik]

Originally posted by Gweedo
Hey sputnik calm down and listen, I dont understand why conservatives are always so mad! Chill the fuck out and take a step back to look at the whole picture

You ACTUALLY believe that because Alberta has a conservative government and Manitoba does not that is why you got a job in Alberta? HAHA There are SO many other factors that come into play of WHY you had to leave. What occupation are you in? Maybe that will say something

Here are 10 ways in which the NDP government has helped MB:
-Province Wide Smoking Ban, good for the enviroment
-Part funding on new Human Rights Museum, biggest in the world
-Lowered interest rates on student loans for University
-$165 million in strategic infrastructure funding including the keneston underpass and to fix the horrible maniotba roads
-Water purification plant complete overhaul
-Implementation of STEP services, a service that gets students work experience with the provincial government
-Increase in Min Wage for all of Manitoba
-The Protection for Persons In Care Act
-Early Childhood Development Continuum
-Implementation of Graduated Licencing

I can go on and on and on, conservatives DONT CARE about the unprivileged in society, why cut sooooo many taxes and then give the majority of those tax breaks to the rich?
Government should help EVERYONE in society and at the same time not sacrifice the enviroment

All conservative governments do is cut cut cut taxes. TAXES HELP PEOPLE. YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE IN CANADA IS BETTER BECAUSE OF OUR TAXES.

Your so blind because all you think about is your fucking bank account. Life goes further than that, you should be ashamed to call yourself a Canadian.

I am calm. I think that you are completely shortsighted on your claims. I worked in the IT industry in Winnipeg for 4 years and watched the industry in Manitoba crumble during that time. When I was offered a job in Alberta I jumped. I immediately was given 50% more than i was making in Manitoba, was paying less taxes and had a house that was actually appreciating in value.

Lets look at your list.

#1 - Smoking Ban

This has been proven to be bad for gambling revenues. So the NDP government is actually shooting themselves in the foot. Where do they expect to get the money from?

#2 - Funding for Human Rights Museum

This is a clear waste of tax payers money with little to zero return to the economy on Manitoba.

#3 - Lowered interest rates on student loans for University

This is good for students, but will damage the economy in which graduates will have to get jobs in. Forcing them to move to cities that actually have good paying jobs.

#4 - $165 million in strategic infrastructure funding

This is LONG overdue. However where the money is coming from is still a mystery. Also this is more of a civic issue than a provincial issue. Perhaps some of the money that is going to the human rights museum and to lowered interest rates could take care of this better and the tax burden imposed on Manitobans would be less.

#5 - Water purification plant complete overhaul

This is STANDARD maintenance. Would you consider changing your oil filter to be a car mod? No.

#6 - Implementation of STEP services, a service that gets students work experience with the provincial government

Basically "make work" projects at the taxpayers expense. Maybe if there were jobs in Manitoba the government wouldnt need to step in to create them and pay for them by forcing the tax payer to work for them.

#7 - Increase in Min Wage for all of Manitoba

This is bad for the economy. This lowers profit margins of companies and forces them to work with less staff or produce a poorer product.

#8 - The Protection for Persons In Care Act

Not sure what this is.

#9 - Early Childhood Development Continuum

Not sure what this is either.

#10 - Implementation of Graduated Licencing

This isnt an NDP thing. The conservative government in Alberta has the same program in place.

So basically... you are still at ZERO in my books. Care to try for another 10. Think of things that if they help someone they arent hurting another person.

Helping those in need isnt bad. As long as it doesnt continually rely on taxpayers to keep picking up the tab.

[thich]

correct me if i'm wrong though...
i thought the entire student loan system was overhauled by the Federal govt and it works through THEM now? Not private banks.... so wut does this have to do with the NDP?
I'm paying the feds my Univeristy debts... (well a good portion, i think AB has some percentage or other...) how did the NDP do anything for this tho?

[bigboom]

wow you NDP people need to step back and take a look at where money comes from. and thats taxes. do you as a taxpayer want to be paying for stupid shit like a human rights museum? i know i dont, i can do without one of those.

student loans? sure lowering interest rates is good but it doesnt solve the problem of rising tuition.

but seriously in the end we pay for all this stuff, do you know how much worse it owuld be if big business was NOT there to pay their share of taxes? with an ndp govt big business would not ge the support they need.

like someone mentioned earlier looka t BC, one of the MOST resource rich provinces in canada and the ndp still manage to screw it up.

[Gweedo]

You are absoletutly pointless to deal with. You are so hardheaded and blinded by your own agenda in life.

To you, EVERYTHING except cutting taxes is "bad for the economy"

If it was up to you we would privitize everything, have no pension, no EI, no insurance nothing! Everyman for themselvs! right? Must be thats the way you present your views!!

Everything I mentioned above is a GOOD thing the NDP has done. Regardless of what you believe IT IS GOOD FOR THE WHOLE!!

Min wage is one of the top reasons people live in poverty, if you dont keep raising it how do you expect people to live? NO EVERYONE CANNOT GET GOOD JOBS because everyone does not have equal opportunities

I can go on forever! Its pointless with you. I do relize that some of you reaaallllly think about what I say, and relize its correct. For those of you who do please re-evaluate your values and do some reading before making a decision for who you will vote for.

[sputnik]

Originally posted by Gweedo
You are absoletutly pointless to deal with. You are so hardheaded and blinded by your own agenda in life.

To you, EVERYTHING except cutting taxes is "bad for the economy"

If it was up to you we would privitize everything, have no pension, no EI, no insurance nothing! Everyman for themselvs! right? Must be thats the way you present your views!!

Everything I mentioned above is a GOOD thing the NDP has done. Regardless of what you believe IT IS GOOD FOR THE WHOLE!!

Min wage is one of the top reasons people live in poverty, if you dont keep raising it how do you expect people to live? NO EVERYONE CANNOT GET GOOD JOBS because everyone does not have equal opportunities

I can go on forever! Its pointless with you. I do relize that some of you reaaallllly think about what I say, and relize its correct. For those of you who do please re-evaluate your values and do some reading before making a decision for who you will vote for.

I have no pension (CPP). It was invested so poorly and so poorly planned that I will be lucky to see a cent of it when I retire. My work puts 4% of what I make every year into a pension fund. This is money they GIVE me without taking it off my paycheque. And I'm not even part of a union.

Why would you need EI if you can get a job almost ANYWHERE?

All other insurance is private in Alberta, and it really doesnt hurt anyone except bad drivers. Most good drivers over the age of 25 pay only a few % more than people under public insurance.

Minimum wage is for MINIMUM JOBS. If you dont like where minimum wage is. Get a better job. Most people dont make anywhere close to minimum wage in Alberta because there are enough jobs in which you can make MORE than that without trying. Even McDs in Alberta starts at $7/hr. And if you have no skills whatsoever you can make $10-12/hr working on a construction site as a "go-fer". Construction companies are DESPERATE for people because half of the ones get fired because they show up drunk or stoned... or just dont show up at all.

I have VERY strong values.

I believe in a hand-up... not a hand-out. If someone wants to collect a welfare cheque they should be willing to work for it, and you cant tell me that 15% of Canada (from your other post) is physically unable to work.

[Alpine Autowerks]

Originally posted by Gweedo
You are absoletutly pointless to deal with. You are so hardheaded and blinded by your own agenda in life.


If it was up to you we would privitize everything, have no pension, no EI, no insurance nothing! Everyman for themselvs! right? Must be thats the way you present your views!!

this is a classical leftist attack of the right that is based in EXACTLY the "hardheaded, blind" mindset the you accuse of those you do not share their own "values". No conservative party in Canada has EVER suggested removing the social saftey nets that contribute so much to our people & country. but if we do not suscribe to the left's craddle to grave coddling by government we must not want any.

[szw]

Originally posted by Gweedo


You are completely against what I say but the only arguments you can come up with to counter are stuff like "commy" and "facist"

Dude you are doing just that in each of your posts. People are responding with arguments but in each post you insult people calling them sheep, "do you ever read!?", "you are all so ridiculous!", "You are so hard-headed!", "this is impossible!", "all you care about is your bank accounts!".

Maybe that's why nobody is taking you seriously.

[accordboi_02]

Originally posted by szw

Maybe that's why nobody is taking you seriously.

Or maybe it's because he is telling us to vote NDP...

Seriously though, I don't mind helping out the less fortunate and such, but when I get a nice paycheck, and 60% (yes, actual number!) goes to taxes, I'm not a happy camper... especially when it seems that this money has gone straight into the pockets of the Liberals' rich friends... Adscam anyone??

Show me a government that can RESPONSIBLY handle our tax dollars, and I may consider it - until then, I'd rather keep my money in my pocket, because at least that way I KNOW it's being handled the way I want it to be.

[Toma]

60% of your check goes to taxes? Nope. Not in Alberta.